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    Endless ScanDisk?

    One of my bartenders asked me to look at her eMachine, running WindowsME. When I asked her what the problem was, she said it only got as far as loading the wallpaper and stopped. When I plugged it in this morning, she was right, except it immediately went into ScanDisk of the hard drive, saying the PC had been shutdown improperly. That was a couple hours ago, and the progress meter in ScanDisk keeps getting about 25% of the way across, then goes back to "zero" and starts over. Any suggestions <grin>?

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    Re: Endless ScanDisk?

    Hmmm... could be a hard drive problem, or a Windows problem. Try booting into safe mode & see if that makes a difference. To get there, shut the machine down & restart it. Keep quickly tapping the 'F8' key and you should eventually see a menu on screen (Note: if you get to the Windows splash screen, you've missed it and will need to try again).

    Choose 'Safe Mode' from that menu and see what happens....
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    Re: Endless ScanDisk?

    Having Scandisk restart is a notorious Windows 98 and ME "feature", caused because their Scandisk can't cope with changes to the disk made by 'other programs' while it is running. A possible solution is to close and shut down FindFast (or is it FastFind?) in the Control Panel. That won't make it run any faster, but it may allow it to finish...

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    Re: Endless ScanDisk?

    Agreed John normally, but it sounds like this system isn't even getting to Windows properly in the first place. (Unless I've got the wrong end of the stick again).

    Either way, doing a scandisk run in Safe Mode prevents these problems too, so I believe that's still the way to go first.
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    Re: Endless ScanDisk?

    You will find this thread in the ME Forum has some links about using Scandisk.

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    Re: Endless ScanDisk?

    Lyra_J,

    >> Try booting into safe mode & see if that makes a difference. <<

    In Safe Mode, ScanDisk fired up again. The first "pass" ended at about the 3% complete mark on the cluster check, but the second pass (after the first one went back to zero) has cruised past the 15% mark. Should be done around dinner time, hopefully.

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    Re: Endless ScanDisk?

    Hey JJ,

    What happens if you just close ScanDisk manually and skip it on the startup ?? Does Windows load ?? I haven't run anything but XP for so long I can't remember what the (very simple) process is to by-pass ScanDisk, but I think you click the stop or close button at the bottom of the page, or just hit enter. ScanDisk on the 9X systems was more of a PITA than it was worth anyway.
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    Re: Endless ScanDisk?

    Lyra -- I suspect we are both correct, except I should have found something about "turning off the disk's 'dirty bit'", which would have prevented SCANDISK continually starting at a reboot.

    My way would (probably) work -- provided you could get into Control Panel.

    By running in Safe Mode you are guaranteeing that no other program will change the hard disk, so that is the much more betterer solution, in this instance!

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    Re: Endless ScanDisk?

    DocWatson,

    >> What happens if you just close ScanDisk manually and skip it on the startup ?? Does Windows load ?? <<

    Well, the Desktop comes up, but then nothing else happens. When I went into Task Manager to see what was going on, it said MSGSVR32 wasn't responding.

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    Re: Endless ScanDisk?

    Take a look here and see if it provides you with some direction. Pehaps the best solution is to reload the files in question from the CD or download them from the internet and install them if the CD isn't available.
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    Re: Endless ScanDisk?

    DocWatson,

    >> Take a look here and see if it provides you with some direction. <<

    Not likely I can pull those files off a WinME CD, given the PC's behavior. And in Safe Mode there's no CD-ROM drive. Can I do a Repair of WinME, booting from the WinME CD?

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    Re: Endless ScanDisk?

    Not with ME you can't. You might try System Restore, if you can get to it. If you're really stuck and the data is important to the owner, you could slave the HD to your machine and copy off the data to CD or other removeable media, replace the drive and then format and reinstall the OS.
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    Re: Endless ScanDisk?

    DocWatson,

    >> Not with ME you can't. <<

    One more reason for me to despise WinME.

    >> You might try System Restore, if you can get to it. <<

    Went back to the first point the PC had set itself (six weeks ago) but Windows still locked up at the Desktop after the reboot.

    >> If you're really stuck and the data is important to the owner, you could slave the HD to your machine and copy off the data to CD or other removeable media, replace the drive and then format and reinstall the OS. <<

    Yeah, I think that's what I'll have to do.

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    Re: Endless ScanDisk?

    > it immediately went into ScanDisk of the hard drive, saying the PC had been shutdown improperly.

    If I understand correctly, it didn't even get as far as beginning to load Windows? If ScanDisk is coughing in this mode, I'm guessing that there's a physical problem with the HD, and it's nothing to do with (other?) Windows problems, except that Windows itself might later be having trouble reading from the same problem cluster. Maybe someone better versed with the hardware issues could comment further?

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    Re: Endless ScanDisk?

    JJ,

    I've reviewed the thread and after looking at Alan's post about the possibility of the problem being caused by the files that Windows is trying to read being located in a bad cluster on the HD and your post that stated that ScanDisk made some good progress in Safe Mode with each successive pass, I think it might be worth your time to start the machine in Safe Mode and let scandisk run (even for a day or two if it needs to). As much of a pain as it can be in day to day computing with it's time consuming process, when you have hardware problems it can be a very useful tool. Slow, but useful. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15> Give it the weekend to clear itself. I think it may be worth a shot before you take the drastic step of formatting and reinstalling.
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