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    Newbie question: OK to unplug or turn off router?

    I have a Zyxel ADSL router, to which my 2 computers are connected.

    Is a router like a server...you "never" turn it off? If not, does it make any difference if I unplug it at night (or turn off a power strip to which it is connected) rather than turning it off?

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    Re: Newbie question: OK to unplug or turn off rou

    Assuming your question also implies that any computers connected to the router are also being shutdown at night! <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15> There's no hardware reason why you can't power down a router that I'm aware of, unless your service provider re-allocates IP addresses on every power cycle. Even then, if your computers and router are setup using DHCP, that should not be a problem. Many of us leave our equipment turned on 24/7 and the "engineering" opinions about the topic are varied. By the way, I would think the most convenient way to power down would be via a surge suppressor/power strip.

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    Re: Newbie question: OK to unplug or turn off rou

    Personally, I never turn them off - but then I tend not to turn off connected PC's either.

    Theoretically, it should make no difference to turning it off, or how you turn it off. The device should be able to withstand a power failure, so switching off at the supply should not cause any harm. There is a debate regarding the stress the electronic components go through at startup versus any aging effect caused by continuously running the device, but I would suggest that unless you are unduly concerned at the waste of energy or are leaving the equipment unused for more than 24 hours, I would leave them switched on. Devices such as routers should be designed to run 24/7 so you would not be using it outside its rated capability.

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    Re: Newbie question: OK to unplug or turn off router?

    If it is turned OFF, it needs to be one of the first to be turned on, before the PC(s), so it can make the needed connection before the PC(s) try to.

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    Re: Newbie question: OK to unplug or turn off rou

    Both my router and my cable modem are on 24/7 for several reasons. DHCP assignments usually are canceled if no activity - they are easy to reassign new ones but what a pain (and waste of time) that can sometimes be.

    In fact, I have my network on my UPS so I don't loose those assignments.

    Those that argue it is better to power on and off electronics don't understand the physics of matter. Matter expands went it gets warm, contracts when it gets cold (think of your car engine cracking as it cools). Many dissimilar materials are bonded together in electronic components. Dissimilar materials expand and contract at differnt rates. Expanding and contracting flexes the materials. Flexing over time causes micro-fissures or cracks as the materials become "fatigued". Tiny fractures in microcircuits are not tiny! There is no greater temperature "swing" than turning your equipment on first thing in the morning and letting it warm up.

    That's not even getting into the spikes, surges, and sags that occur during power cycles.

    My advice is if you use your computer everyday, leave it on - you can always have your PC search for ET, or start Folding Proteins in its spare time. Just pay attention to the "sound" of your PC - or its fans. If they get louder, bearings may be going. If it gets softer, bearings may have went!

    As Leif said, these devices are designed with 24/7 operation in mind.
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    Re: Newbie question: OK to unplug or turn off router?

    I'm in the opposing camp in this line of thought.
    Despite the rather high minded line of thinking, these devices are meant to be cycled on or off as needed.
    Devices NOT running are not being stressed or worn out. ( like fan bearings or hard drives ) Also they are meant to take a rather wide temperature range without problems. Todays semiconductors are a complete new ball game when it comes to on-off cycling. I think a lot of that thought comes from the days of germanium semi's that would expire so easily with surges, slumps or static charges.

    So there is my 2 cents. I turn off both PC and routermodem every night. On in the morning.
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    Re: Newbie question: OK to unplug or turn off router?

    Well, certainly there is disagreement here.

    I will pose this then let it slide. If your network equipment is designed to be powered on and powered off every time you use it, then I recommend you do so with the supplied on/off switch.

    Oh? Your router and cable modem don't have an on/off switch? I apologize for being a smart-ass but what does that tell you? That Linksys, D-Link, NetGear, ZyXEL, SOHO, Motorola, Toshiba, SMC, Belkin, US Robotics, all expect you grope to around in back and unplug several times a day? Then grope around again in the morning or next time you want to use it and try to find the socket? Sorry Bob, they are not "meant" to be cycled on or off on a routine basis - only to reset them.

    As far as PCs themselves, the makers must assume these boxes will be used as servers or workstations in a work environment - running all the time. This is particularly true of the HD motors and the fans. They are designed to run full time. They "allow" for the user to shut down - primarily for maintenance, upgrades, cleaning and the like.

    My point about fatigue was just that, the components get fatigued, they age, they "wear out". When they are subjected to repeated wide temperature swings, surges, spikes and sags which occur during these cycles, they age the components. Note a surge protector does nothing at this point - these devices are further down the line.

    So for devices that are meant to be left on 24/7 - that is your network devices (modems, routers, switches, and hubs), I strongly recommend you leave them on. For your PC, again, if you use it everyday, leave it on 24/7. If you feel you must turn it off when not in use, turn it on when you first need to use your PC for the day, and leave it on for the rest of the day until you are certain you will no longer need it that day. I strongly discourage turning it on and off several times a day.
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    Re: Newbie question: OK to unplug or turn off router?

    Well, William,
    I suppose we can agree to disagree
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    I will also pose this and <big>then let it slide</big> . I guess I went to a different school to get my degree in Electrical Engineering than you did.

    Funny, but the back of my Westell modemrouter has this rather large looking thing marked: ON-OFF.
    I wonder what that is for? Same for the other items like the CPU box, printer, scanner, speakers, LCD screen.
    Strange? To reset things?

    Fatigue? Sure. Everything wears out, even people. I don't consider my system to be of commercial grade, even if it is high quality. Should our computer rooms revert back to AC raised flooring to maintain even temperature?

    BTW, if you really read my post you would see that I DO turn off my system at night and leave it on for the day. Convenience.

    Your apology for being a smart-ass is accepted.
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    Re: Newbie question: OK to unplug or turn off router?

    Bill and Bob,
    My cable modem and my router neither have a "On/Off" switch. The paper work that came with them states that they are intended to be left on all the time. As I have 4 PC's connected to this network, I would leave in on all the time any way. My machines run 24/7 except when we leave town for a trip.
    This includes printers, scanners and etc.

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    Re: Newbie question: OK to unplug or turn off router?

    <hr>Your apology for being a smart-ass is accepted.<hr>
    Now, Robert, where's your apology for the same in pretending to be my dear o' Grandma and calling me William? lol

    While true, I don't have an EE so I don't do much in the way of circuit design, but I did go through 9 solid months of electronics systems maintenance in my Air Force tech school, have an AS in Applied Electronics Technology, and a BS in Electronics Management - and I've been a technician for 30 plus years. So I'm quite qualified to fix most design flaws and premature failures, thank you, given a schematic and a scope. And I can say with certainty that the vast majority of network devices for SOHO environments, such as the common 4 and 8 port routers and switches, do not have an on/off switch. An on/off switch may not be rare, but it is not common.

    As far as you stating you turn your system on and off, I thought this thread was about the OPs system. ; )
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    Re: Newbie question: OK to unplug or turn off router?

    Added: In your defense Bob, having worked in high tech fields for so long, I know for a fact that many finished designs, the products that reach the field, are not as originally designed by the engineers - and your hands, as well as mine, are often tied by those that control the coffers.
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