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    A Canon Scanner

    I just wanted to make a post on a subject that has been discussed in two previous threads: Here is the initial thread started by Bob Leduc about his desire to scan slides: <!post=Scanning Slides.,505,369>Scanning Slides.<!/post> I created another thread because I thought I had a software problem <!post=here.,508,465>here.<!/post> I must admit to my disappointment in Costco for telling me that it will be 7 to 10 days before I get the email confirming my authorization to return the bad product discussed. But, today, the good news. I received a Canon 8400F scanner as ordered by Bob Leduc and have to tell this audience how pleased I am with the product so far.

    The scanner installed without a hitch, no problems with Windows, and I was able to scan a photo within seconds into PSP without making a single adjustment to settings. As I, like Bob, continue into my slide scanning adventure, I'll add to this thread, but I just wanted to say that the experience so far has been more than pleasant!
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    Re: A Canon Scanner

    Atta go Al, glad its working out for you.
    I do have one work of caution with the canon scanner - too many adjustments can make you scanned picture worse. I believe Canon defaults with Auto Tone and Unsharp Mask on and the rest of the settings off. I've found that the best scans I've experienced were done with all of the settings off and possibly using the backlight setting to Low if the slide(s) were on the dark side.
    Also, a clean slide is critical to scanning good images - as recommended to me on another message board, lighter fluid and a good soft cotton cloth works wonders. At first I never noticed the glaze of 'time' on the slides, but cleaning them up sure produces a much clearer image.
    Now it's back to scanning - 370 down, 950 to go (dropping eyes)..
    Bob

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    Re: A Canon Scanner

    Hey Bob, I've gotta tell ya I'm still very impressed with this scanner, although I'm not nearly as far along as you probably are in scanning my slides. I do have a question and a comment, but before I do, I want to tell the "other Bob," (Viking) that if he's still looking, this is a good product to buy! Now, just for the record, I have a PIII 600 with 640 RAM and plenty of drive space. Although I've tried the ArcSoft Photo Studio, I'm using PSP for my scanning app so far. I've not yet installed the Photoshop Elements but I suspect the results will be the same there. In the hopes that Admins will pardon the slightly larger than normal graphic, I attach a screenshot of a preview screen so I can make the following comments. I still have a problem with "darkness" on many of my slides and I really don't know if it's something one just has to put up with or not. I had this problem with my old scanner as well, and I'm still relying on PSP to lighten 'em up sufficiently to be acceptable. The screenshot shows the settings viewable in my preview screen (I've done a little monkeying with it to cut down the size). Bob (Leduc) can you see anything I should change in the settings?

    It's also interesting to note from one of the four previews, that no matter which way I orient the slide in the holder, if the picture is 90 degrees (by size of mount) rotated. the scanner insists on scanning the image in the direction of the "largest" dimension of the slide mount. I've had a number of those so far and I just rotate 'em later with PSP, but it's an interesting hard-coding built into the scanner.
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    Re: A Canon Scanner

    Hi Al,
    Great to see you making progress.
    On your darkness problem, I've had good successes with using the Fading correction on the 'blueish' or bland slides, by selecting either the low or medium or high settings you can 'see' the changes although whatever you set here will affect 'all' 4 slides in this case. This one selection should improve your #1, #2 and #4 slides considerably by correcting the colors to bring them back to life. I find correcting them at scan time makes a better digital picture than waiting until PSP gets a hold of them. I also tend to save to file right from the CanonScan toolbar instead of pulling into any graphics program - but that is a matter of preference.
    For your #3 slide - dark it is, and was probably taken that way.. With the Fading Correction selected for the other 3 slides, I would try a low or medium setting under Backlight Correction and then add Grain Correction (medium to high). The grain correction won't show on the preview but you'll be surprised at the final output - and the backlight correction setting is 'per slide' - meaning you need to select the slide you want to add light to, and that setting won't affect any of the other slides. If you like what you see in the preview then the final output will probably be pleasing enough with only minor corrections to be done in PSP.
    Be careful when setting these settings as most of those will not reset for your next batch of scans - so be prepared to manually reset them back to none unless you feel you need them again.
    Hope this helps - if need be, you can send some files directly to my email address (so as not to bog the board) but sharing the wealth of information here is more than ideal..
    Later
    Bob L (as in Leduc <g>).

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    Re: A Canon Scanner - Orienting

    Closed my other reply too soon <grin>..
    On the orientation your experiencing, I usually place the slides all in the same orientation (same as if you were looking at them in the projector) and only switching the 90 degree setting on those that were taken with the camera placed 90 degrees. Scanned this way I always know which way the files with come out.

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    Re: A Canon Scanner

    Hi Al,

    Yes, I've been lurking here following the adventures of Al and Bob L and it does seem like the Canon is the way to go.
    I have been doing a LITTLE shopping around and noticed a rather big price variation for that model and some had free shipping and all.
    I'll have to get into it a little more seriously and see what I can find.
    Thanks guys.
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    Re: A Canon Scanner

    Hi Bob,
    Don't mean to interupt here, but I do like your wording <grin>.. Kinda makes it sound like Al and I are akin to 'The Hardy Boys' <img src=/S/bow.gif border=0 alt=bow width=15 height=15>
    I do hope you find one within your price range, I'm at 480 slides right now and still scanning - happily...

    Bob L.

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    Re: A Canon Scanner

    I feel like I'm talking with " Bob-Squared " here... <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15> Thanks for all those tips. I'll just have to keep experimenting. On one item, the joke's on me, for I never noticed that I could rotate the slide in the preview screen and I've been doing it in PSP. No matter as either way is fine. (Blush) I can't for the life of me find where to scan directly to file. Is that not in the ScanGear program?

    For the other Bob, I was lucky enuf to get free shipping from Buy.Com and I've done business with them for several years, so sometimes even when their price is a few bucks higher than someone else, I stick with 'em because I trust them and they've always been very responsive when I've needed to contact 'em.

    Well, it's 2040 hours here and (as some naval guy I know would say!) the "scanning lamp is lit" (paraphrasing for non-smokers) so I'd better get back to work and quit fooling around in The Lounge. Sleep tight and don't let the bugs bite!

    Edited to add: I keep forgetting to say this. The reason I mentioned my system in the earlier post is that I've been sort of timing my 4-slide scans and it takes about four and a half minutes to scan 4 slides. So, I guess my "old" Pentium III might be slowing me down a tad, but I don't mind. The preview only takes about a minute to pop up however.

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    Re: A Canon Scanner

    Hi Al,
    That 4 1/2 minutes to scan 4 slides will also depend on what you do to the slide - as you add corrections the time will increase, but your timing is just about what mine is, and I have a 930mhz PIII 512 megs ram on Win XP- very similar to your system.
    If you check out your Canon directory in the Start->Programs area you'll notice CanoScan Toolbox - open that sucker up and you'll the the File icon as well as startups for scaning to the OCR, other graphic programs, email, etc. It's kinda a backup to the button on the scanner itself.
    Happy scanning to you, until dawns early light <snicker>
    Bob L (the other Bob).

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    Re: A Canon Scanner

    Aha, thanks for the reminder about the Toolbox. I did check it out after all the installation, but haven't TRIED it yet because of using PSP and the ScanGear driver. The reason I want to try to switch to the "direct-to-file" method is not new because of this hardware. My old Umax worked the same way, so I think it's a function of using a Twain driver. When you scan into a graphic application, PSP or other - it doesn't matter I think - you can't do any tweaking to the image while the Twain driver is still running. All you can do is save the file, clear the screen and continue scanning or close the Twain driver. It then takes a re-opening of any files scanned to crop, enhance, etc. and re-save. So I figure I might as well go direct to file and save that middle step which accomplishes nothing. More later...

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    Re: A Canon Scanner

    I did try a bunch of scans this morning using the Toolbox, Bob. It DOES work a treat and I'm glad you pointed it out to me. I'm letting it save the files as "imagexxxx.jpg" (consecutive numbers) and then when I need to take a break from scanning to let the smoke clear, I'll open those files with PSP and do any cropping that may be required. Then, when I re-save them with PSP I'm renaming them to a system of my choosing. This should speed up the process, as you can tell for you are FAR and away ahead of me - I've got about 900 to go! Unfortunately, many of my slides have "rounded corners" on the image which leaves some black showing in the image, so I'm cropping down a tad to remove those corners and also on some pictures that have way too much background for the subject at hand.

    The settings adjustments in the driver is also working very well, thank you! Mostly I'm finding that changing only the backlighting is necessary to make a slide look nice. All in all, things are going well and, like you, I am ready to declare this machine a winner - keeper! Viking, get out yer credit card and do yo' thang (as we Kentuckians tend to say)...

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    Re: A Canon Scanner

    I just wanted to write to tip you (and others) off about the only scanner problem I've had so far, Bob. I don't have time to scan for very long so I've been doing 25 to 40 slides each afternoon and it's been going VERY well. Yesterday I was scanning along, put my next 4 slides in the scanner and attempted my usual preview screen where I tweak settings as necessary. In this case only 2 of the 4 slides showed up on screen and they were black. I opened the lid to make sure I hadn't had a "senior moment" and then tried my preview again with the same result. As it is habit with me, I FIRST decided to check CONNECTIONS and sure enough, that FAU cable had come just a tiny bit loose in the receptacle on the back of the scanner. I guess all the hundreds of opening-and-closing of the lid can cause the looseness. I had a time gettings things back to normal and in hindsight I probably should have re-booted to start the driver again. But, to Canon's goodness I was able to get back to normal and scanned a bunch more before quitting for the day. Just be aware...

    (For the non-Canon initiated: FAU = Film Adapter Unit)

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    Re: A Canon Scanner

    Good catch Al, although I haven't had any problems like that yet, and I'm at slide #699. But it's certainly worth a simple check to make certain the plug is securely attached.
    After I'm done with my slide scanning, I was debating whether to unplug the cover light (or FAU) for normal platen scanning... Time will tell on that.

    Later.
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    Re: A Canon Scanner Canon CanoScan 8400F

    Yiiipppeeee!!! I thought I'd post an update - just in case anyone else was following the adventures of Big Al and I... <grin>.
    Last night I scanned my last slide - #1,383. Phew....
    Gotta say - that Canon scanner is a piece of hardward worthy of anyone's desk. Very solid, very reliable, lots of scan adjustments, color adjustments, etc..
    A big <img src=/S/clapping.gif border=0 alt=clapping width=19 height=23> thumbs-up on this one.
    Sign me off as a happy camper <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15> (Now to get going on formatting these on a few DVD's).

    Bob

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    Re: A Canon Scanner Canon CanoScan 8400F

    Congratulation Bob, that's one heck of a lot of lid-lifting <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15> not counting any do-overs! I don't know about you but I'm dreading when I get finished and trying to sort 'em all out on CDs. Somehow, over the years, I've got slides out of chronological order and I've even got some that I'm not sure what they are or where they were taken.

    As an aside, I don't remember from the threads if you already have something for making slideshows, but I like this <img src=/S/free.gif border=0 alt=free width=30 height=15>bie: LPJ-Software

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