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    What about USB Drives?

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    OK, I know that USB ports power the devices that attach to them, but when you have one of these "thumb drives"; could you simply yank it out of the port without having to shut down the computer when the "Safely Remove Hardware" procedure fails?

    I know that sometime you have open files saved on these USB drives, but say you are ready to shut down the computer, i.e. all is secured, no application are running, no files are open, because the "Safely Remove Hardware" procedure failed, or due to restrictions set by the Administrator, can you just simply unplug the drive?

    Thanks for enlightening me

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    Re: What about USB Drives?

    Personally I always wait until the red light on the USB flash drive goes out, before removing it. I never had the "Safely Remove Hardware" icon in the system tray for this device (I probably never set it up). No problems to date.

    I'm a bit more careful with powering off my 300 GB external hard drive (actually on a firewire port, but same principle applies), where I will click on the icon and go through the steps before powering it off.

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    Re: What about USB Drives?

    i yank out my iPod shuffle before work everyday... as long as you aren't transferring files i don't think it matters. even if you have a file open from the USB drive, i don't think anything will happen to the drive itself because wahtever was opened is kept in your memory.
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    Re: What about USB Drives?

    I've only had a problem once, where I pulled the drive out, before seeing the 'okay' message. It had erased the contents of the drive, or at least made it more difficult for me to find them on that drive.

    But of course, I had a backup of the information that was missing.
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    Re: What about USB Drives?

    The only problem I've ever encountered while "yanking" out the drive was that sometimes the file I'd "transferred" (read as "didn't) didn't make it (transfer dialog box was gone, but something hadn't finished)...

    Never had a drive erased from it, etc...
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    Re: What about USB Drives?

    It makes no sense to not follow the procedure for safely removing a USB drive.

    If you are unsure of whether the safely remove drive procedure has worked correctly, you can always shut down the computer and disconnect the drive with the power off.

    To do otherwise is just asking for trouble

    Those folkes whi state that they ignore such procedures are just asking for trouble.

    The worst I've enounteredf is that, unbeknonst to me, a safely refmove procedure did not complete properly.
    In retrospect, I now know why the procedure did not complete correctly and I may have been able to fix the problem, but I found out too late.
    The drive was used only for a Retrospect backup. When I next tried to use Retrospect with the drive, it would not work, so I had to reformat th edrive and redo an entire systtem backup.

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    Re: What about USB Drives?

    > refmove procedure did not complete properly

    Do NOT remove a USB drive until all procedures have fully completed !!

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    Re: What about USB Drives?

    in the circumstance to which i was referri9ng, it was not possible to determine whether the proedure had completed,

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    Re: What about USB Drives?

    <hr> a safely refmove procedure did not complete properly<hr>
    You were able to determine that it didn't complete, yet you say that
    <hr>it was not possible to determine whether the proedure had completed<hr>
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    Re: What about USB Drives?

    Yes!

    Too complex to explain details here.

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    Re: What about USB Drives?

    I think you may have a faulty keyboard there, Howard. Or is it a USB keyboard that someone yanked out?
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    Re: What about USB Drives?

    This is a hard-to-find setting! In Windows XP Pro SP2 in the USA, "Optimize for Quick Removal" appears to be the default for this type of device.

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    Re: What about USB Drives?

    Hi John:
    After reading your post, I took a look at the Hardware properties for my flash drive, as well as my two external hard drives. The option to "optimize for quick removal" is greyed out on all drives. In fact, the "Optimize for performance" button is greyed out (but there is a radio check on the button anyhow). The only thing that isn't greyed out is the option "Enable write caching on the disk". Is there a setting somewhere that affects this?

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    Safe removal of USB drives

    What I forgot to mention about USB flash drives, to enable them to be removed reliably from the USB port, is that you need to set "Optimise for Quick Removal", as follows:<UL><LI>Connect the USB flash drive<LI> Go into My Computer and click on the drive<LI>Select Properties, then Hardware<LI>Select the USB drive in the list and click on Properties<LI>Click on the Policies tab and select "Optimise for Quick Removal"<LI>Click OK, and from now on all data will be written to the flash drive immediately (and not cached)[/list]Now all you need to remember is to wait until the LED on the drive goes out each time before removing it!

    John

    PS There a review of 33 types available in the UK (allegedly -- I've never heard of most of them, and I have two types they haven't reviewed!) in PC Pro magazine. Beware that the site may want you to log on after you've viewed a couple of pages...
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    Re: Safe removal of USB drives

    John -

    Not to nit pick, but which OS is this for? Win2K does not have anything that I can see as 'Policies'.
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