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    Repagination = 7000 pages plus!

    Holy Cow!

    I created a flowchart in word using text boxes, clip art and arrows and lines and I grouped everything together.
    I copied the object then opened my existing document I inserted it using Edit>Paste Special> as Picture.
    In the status bar I see the message "Please wait while word repaginates your file. Press ESC to cancel." and then a counter gone haywire. By the time I noticed what was happening, the counter had climbed to 7,040 pages. Yes, that's a comma...Seven Thousand) [img]/w3timages/icons/scream.gif[/img] [img]/w3timages/icons/sick.gif[/img]

    I did this before with two of these same type of graphics and it was fine. Truth be told, the reason I was doing it again was because I had changed the graphic size in one of the objects re-grouped them and was attempting to paste it into the document again after I had deleted the one that was to large.

    The reason I decided to try the paste special in the first place was because the anchors were driving me mad. I couldn't get the grouped objects where I wanted them.[img]/w3timages/icons/mad.gif[/img]

    What the heck just happened to me?? Anyone know?
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    Re: Repagination = 7000 pages plus!

    Hmmmm.....

    I have on occasion copied from jpg, etc. and pasted as device independent bitmap. Word 2000 places those left justified, one following the other. I can put it in a table, but it severely limits formating options. So, IMHO (in my humble opinion) Word may have been placing each element of your lovely grouped item at it's default size, one following the other. Basically -- word went [img]/w3timages/icons/sick.gif[/img]

    Of course, since it worked previously, I may be <font color=red>way</font color=red> off-base.
    Karen

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    Re: Repagination = 7000 pages plus!

    Hi KT:
    How many pages did you actually end up with & what did you do? I could find nothing in the KB.

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    Re: Repagination

    [img]/w3timages/icons/cool.gif[/img]You could have a graphic which is too large to fit on a page. Possibly it is enclosed by paragraphs which are marked 'keep with next' or 'keep lines together'. Word looks at the current page and the stuff won't fit, so it pushes it onto the next page. It still won't fit so it pushes it onto the next page ... Soon you have 7000 pages with nothing on them.
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    David, I think you have it... that makes sense... and it was after a heading with the KWN turned on. Thanks... I thought my computer was going to blow a fuse!! poor thing. I shut her down for the weekend so when I go back on Tuesday she should be up and smiling for me [img]/w3timages/icons/tonguea.gif[/img]
    thanks for calming me[img]/w3timages/icons/hairy.gif[/img]
    have fun

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    Re: Repagination

    Hi KT:
    I'm curious; let us know what happens. I tried duplicating your steps (somewhat) but couldn't get an error. It sounds strange; even if Word can't fit paragraphs or graphics on a page, it just crops the graphic & spills the paragraph onto the next page.

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    Re: Repagination

    Hi Phil,

    One variable is whether you have your document set to Normal view or Page Layout view.
    The forced repagination won't occur in Normal view.

    Gary

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    Re: Repagination

    Hi Gary:

    I tried duplicating the problem using Print Layout. Each paragraph & graphic went on it's own page, but I only got four pages, not 7000. There must be something else that happened, don't you think?

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    Re: Repagination

    Hi Phil,

    As (virtually) always, I find that I must agree with you! [img]/w3timages/icons/wink.gif[/img]

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    Gary, Phil Dave and KB Mac[img]/w3timages/icons/wink.gif[/img]
    Well kids, I think I figured out why my results varied from Phil's test and you're right Gary, there is one element I found that I should have seen...[img]/w3timages/icons/doh.gif[/img]

    In the document I created the flowchart in, the anchor was somehow hooked up to a paragraph line with a section break on it. [img]/w3timages/icons/shy.gif[/img] So when I copied the whole grouping I guess I copied the section break as well.

    When I moved the anchor to a normal paragraph mark it was inserted perfectly.

    Many thanks for helping me through this trying time [img]/w3timages/icons/smile.gif[/img] Hopefully this past long weekend did me some good and I'll be thinking clearly again real soon. [img]/w3timages/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

    have fun

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    Re: Repagination

    I have faced this problem umpteen times, and have figured out one explanation as to why it happens. I can induce the error at will with this explanation, and can also eliminate the error.

    The first and commonest one is:

    Word is trying to fit the graphic as well as the paragraph to which it is anchored on the page, and it cannot. So it goes to the next page, and tries the same and fails again, so it goes into a continuous repagination loop.

    Why does this happen? There is apparently an undocumented requirement that at least one paragraph should either end or begin on a page. If there is, say, a paragraph which begins on Page 3, continues on Page 4 on which you are trying to place the object, and is long enough to continue on to Page 5, you will get the unending pagination loop.

    What is the logic of this apparent assumption? I think Word assumes a paragraph to be smaller than a whole page. In this case, a paragraph straddling 3 pages militates against this assumption.

    The solution? Just put a Section Break or a Paragraph Break (Enter) to break the length of the paragraph so it does not stretch to Page 5 (in this example). A Shift-Enter does not work.

    If this explanation is actually correct, I will feel like Einstein.

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    Re: Repagination

    Actually the logic for the unending loop is that the Object is vainly looking for a Para Marker to anchor to, and cannot find it, because no paragraph either begins or ends on that page.

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    Re: Repagination

    A couple of other tips:

    Another good idea to avoid jumping of figures/ text boxes is to temporarily put a section break (Next Page) after the point where you do not want your pagination messed up.

    If you have a grouped object which you want to ungroup without a messup, copy the grouped object to a new empty file based on the same template as the current one, do all the ungrouping there, and then after the object is done, come to the original file, put a section break as explained above at the end of the page on which you want to place the grouped object, and delete the original grouped object and replace it with the newly grouped object. After this is done, the section break can be deleted from Normal View.

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