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    Bootable CD or DVD

    I notice that Nero 6 makes bootable cd's or dvd's... and states that it works for WinXP

    But it asks for a bootable floppy to get the operating system files.

    How can I do this, and/or how can this even be possible?

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    Re: Bootable CD or DVD

    When Nero creates a bootable CD or DVD it takes a bootable image (such as a floppy) and writes this to a "hidden" file on the CD. During the boot process it creates a "virtual" floppy, copies the data to this and then boots from it.

    You need to create a bootable floppy which has the correct drivers etc. to read your CD/DVD drive, for Nero to use.

    You can find more information about bootable CDs than you ever wanted to know here.

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    Re: Bootable CD or DVD

    Stuart:

    I got the theory... But I'm not even sure of how to make na XP-Pro bootable floppy...

    Where does one find these instructions?

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    Re: Bootable CD or DVD

    I don't believe that it is possible to create a Windows XP Professional bootable floppy. The nearest you will get is something like Bart PE.

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    Re: Bootable CD or DVD

    Stuart:

    In some ways, that's good to know... At least I'm not totally oyout to lunch...Now all I gotta do is tell the people at Ahead.com.

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    Re: Bootable CD or DVD

    I suspect the people at Ahead.com know all about bootable CDs. This quote comes from the helpfile for Nero Burning ROM 6.
    <hr>...not every operating system can be booted from a CD. During booting, Windows95/98/Me and Windows NT/2000/XP write to the medium from which they are being booted. This is not possible with a CD and so the process is cancelled and the PC cannot be started. No provision for booting from a ROM medium was made when these operating systems were developed. When booting from a CD therefore, you can only start an operating system that does not write to the medium, such as 'MS-DOS' or 'Linux'.<hr>
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    Re: Bootable CD or DVD

    Stuart:

    That quote is a fine example of what (I personally) fell is a t the core of the majority of software problems we see today:

    If

    ...not every operating system can be booted from a CD. During booting, Windows95/98/Me and Windows NT/2000/XP write to the medium from which they are being booted. This is not possible with a CD and so the process is cancelled and the PC cannot be started. No provision for booting from a ROM medium was made when these operating systems were developed. When booting from a CD therefore, you can only start an operating system that does not write to the medium, such as 'MS-DOS' or 'Linux'.

    is true as stated, then how come items such as BartPE are in existence? He certainly found a way to write to the CD, and then boot from same.

    At the **very** least, I think they should be more clear...

    In their own instructions fro creation, the text says you can indeed use WinXP, or am I reading this page wrong?

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    Re: Bootable CD or DVD

    Chuck,

    Two more points, and then I'm off to bed <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>
    1. <LI>Bart PE is a really clever piece of code, but it is NOT Windows XP. Microsoft make a tool called Windows PE (Preboot Environment) and Bart has created his own similar product. This is not something that mere mortals like you and I could do, and nobody is about to create a bootable Windows XP CD.
      <LI>Yes, you are reading that page wrong. You can use Nero, running under those versions of Windows, to create a bootable CD. That doesn't mean that the bootable CD will then allow you to boot that operating system! It will allow you to boot whatever is on the boot image that you provided Nero. Creating a boot image is the tricky bit!
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    Re: Bootable CD or DVD

    Sigh...

    Kryptonite be damned...

    Thanks Stuart...

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    Re: Bootable CD or DVD

    This was some time ago, and the process was only intended to get access to your XP computer if something like the boot record on the hard drive were to fail. Besides which, I would bet that having created THIS floppy, it would NOT successfully transition into a bootable CD via Nero or etc. Check <!post=this old thread,259,566>this old thread<!/post>, particularly WyllyWylly's response to me.

    Maybe I should re-read this thread, but as I'm typing I can't remember if you said WHY you want a bootable CD or what you want to do with it.

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    Re: Bootable CD or DVD

    Al:

    Maybe I should just learn some disaster prevention, but I have had situations that called for me to be able to recover my system.

    What I want to be able to do is store my "data" file separate from all o/s and program files, thereby being able to grab them off if the need arises. This is pretty standard, I know...

    But I've had it happen that my backup was yesterday, file changes were as of this morning, and the o/s was "trashed"... So...

    Given a Boot CD (WinXP), I thought I would then at least be able to grab current changed files before backup restores...

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    Re: Bootable CD or DVD

    I know ya didn't ask fer it, but I'll give my suggestion anyways. No matter when you have a "crash" or some other disaster, you're likely to lose something, unless you just THIS MINUTE made a full backup. In business of course, most backup daily if not constantly during the day. But in a personal, non-business computing environment I decided long ago to do a full image backup once each week and a "selected file" backup every night. The worst thing that's ever happened to me is losing email or bookmarks or such from a morning if I've had a crash and have to revert to last night's backed up files. As for the full image backup, if I've installed any software or made any "tweaks" since that last image, that's usually easy to re-do or recover from. My practice has served me well and I've only ever lost anything once or twice.

    I don't think you're on the right trail with this bootable CD thing, unless it be the bootable Windows CD or a bootable CD from an imaging program like TrueImage.

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    Re: Bootable CD or DVD

    Chuck,

    If you have to recover this mornings work after a fatal windows corruption then the best approach is to take the hard drive to another, working, computer and install it as a second disk. Then you can copy any still readable files.

    StuartR

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    Re: Bootable CD or DVD

    Al:

    You're probably right... And although I didn't *directly* ask, the point of this board is advice, and there's no question the people here have added immensely to my perspective, and experience. So the "Ask" is inherent, at least for me.

    This whole (latest revision of my ) process started because I am trying to bring myself a certain amount of regularity to my process.

    Most times, I've backed up and am OK... But it's happened that I missed a file or two, always "the" file I don't want to lose. Sometimes it's there if I can get at it, hence products like NTFSdoc for people like me.

    I just thought that in the off-chance that the file(s) were "just sitting there" if only I could get at them, it would be great to have a bootable CD so that then I could just "pick it up".

    True Image boots a CD, and I suppose I could then just back up the desired files, restoring them later...

    Maybe I'm doing something all wrong, because, for instance, I've found little if any use for the Recovery Console, and even less for Windows' built-in Restore...

    So I just found myself poking around at alternatives...

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    Re: Bootable CD or DVD

    Stuart:

    That's probably the best, if not the easiest, solution.

    Hardware sure ain't my specialty, but it would work.

    AAMOF, I had though about that kind of recovery before... If I want to do that, but I DON'T want the machine I'm installing into to "take over" the second drive (BIOS etc.,) but just "borrow" it to pull off the data, how can I prevent major BIOS adjustments for the second drive, or letter assignment adjustments, or... ?

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