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    Prompt to save changes when no changes made (2000 SP3)

    I have a number of word documents that prompt me to save changes each time I open and then close them without making any changes. None of the documents contain linked pictures or tables or embedded objects of any sort. They have mostly had citation markers inserted in them from the Endnote reference manager program, but once inserted these are just plain text, not fields. I have searched the document for fields, using Word's find function, and there are no fields to be found.

    What might be causing this behaviour?

    It is not a trivial problem, in that some of these documents I may have had open for a while, and cannot remember whether changes have been made or not. Occasionally this can mess up a synchronisation with my laptop, where I end up overwriting an older version with a newer one as I have saved changes that didn't exist, as it were, thus creating an older version with a newer timestamp.

    Thanks for your thoughts.

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    Re: Prompt to save changes when no changes made (2000 SP3)

    a) If you make a copy of the document, and successively remove bits and pieces, and save, close and reopen after each change, you may be able to determine what causes the prompt.

    [img]/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif[/img] If you can make a copy of the document with all sensitive content stripped out that still shows the problem behavior, you might attach it for Loungers to investigate.

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    Re: Prompt to save changes when no changes made (2

    Thanks Hans, I'll work on it. Just wanted to check there wasn't something obvious before I set to the arduous task (such as Word's find function not reliably finding fields, for instance)

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    Re: Prompt to save changes when no changes made (2

    If the document has a template other than Normal.dot, is there any code that runs when the document opens that might be changing something?

    If you use Undo, is there anything to undo? (And, if so, and you Redo, does the insertion point move to any interesting places?)

    Do you have any add-ins that might react to the opening of a document? (These might be listed under Tools>Templates and Add-ins, or the COM Add-ins dialog.)

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    Re: Prompt to save changes when no changes made (2

    Don't know if this helps, but I've found that Word will often only find fields if they are showing at the time (Alt-F9)?
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    Re: Prompt to save changes when no changes made (2

    From my experience i'd say jscher2000 is on the right track.

    If a template behind the document has also been coded with custom menus and buttons and in particular modifying existing menus and modifying native MS shortcuts, this can cause the problem. i gather it's a know bug in word, and can be a pain to get rid of.

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    Re: Prompt to save changes when no changes made (2

    Thanks for all your suggestions. The documents are based on normal.dot, which contains a few personal macros, but nothing that will run spontaneously at any stage. The only custom toolbar is the Endnote add in, which has been on the computer in the same version for 3 years, without exhibiting this behaviour, so I'd be surprised if that was the problem in itself (although stranger things have happened).

    I use tiny personal firewall and don't allow any applications to access the internet apart from the proxomitron and the windows services without which access fails (although I've always been suspicious of svchost), so I don't think any addins could have installed themselves without my knowledge.

    I've added COM add ins to my tools menu, and was surprised to find the google desktop office search add in. I guess this is a possible candidate, although once again it's been on my computer in it's current version for a while (in this case months rather than years), so I'd be surprised.

    I think add ins are a bit unlikely in that it's only a few documents that are affected.

    I've tried selecting all and showing all fields and no fields are visible (or searchable).

    So I'm back to manually dismantling the docs - although I like the undo and redo tip.

    Thanks everyone. If I find the culprit I'll feed back.

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    Resolution

    The undo list provided the answer. It appears that once a document has contained a formatted bibliography from Endnote, even if that bibliography is then removed, a vbafield is created then deleted when the document is opened. I still can't work out how that happens, but this problem is solved - thanks very much Mr Scher <img src=/S/cheers.gif border=0 alt=cheers width=30 height=16>

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