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    Woody Says? (WinXP Pro SP-2)

    I just read my e-mail from Brian Livingston [Editor@WindowsSecrets.com], in which there's an article from Woody Leonard that says two things:

    The first is that defragging is a waste of time. This has been on the blocks of debate for some time, so that didn't surprise me much.

    But his second -- Bonus tip: Don't partition your hard drive. You'll only slow it down. If you really want a "partition" to store, say, all of your data files, create a folder called "Cata". Partitioning is dead. Get over it.

    Where did this come from?

    Is this correct? I've heard a lot about partitions, but never this before.

    Any advice on this one?

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    Re: Woody Says? (WinXP Pro SP-2)

    Not me. I don't PAY for computer email newsletters, even for Woody's sage advice.

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    Re: Woody Says? (WinXP Pro SP-2)

    Al:

    Needer do I....

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    Re: Woody Says? (WinXP Pro SP-2)

    Partioning does slow down disk access because you are forcing the OS to treat one physical drive as more than one. Internally the OS is forced to manage information for each partition. However, the vast majority of users would never notice the negative impact partioning has. Most likely it would be noticed on in a very disk intensive environment - higher volume servers, etc. The best reason that I can think of for partioning is that it makes segregation of data and programs much easier for most people to comprehend. This in turn simplifies back up and recovery, upgradin an OS, upgrading other programs.

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    Re: Woody Says? (WinXP Pro SP-2)

    Well if you subscribe to the "free" Livingston newsletter, would you tell me the email SUBJECT of where you found the information on Woody's advice, please? All I can find in my latest two issues is a reference to the PAID version.

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    Re: Woody Says? (WinXP Pro SP-2)

    Al:

    You and my daughter both just nailed me--

    "No Dad, that's the one I just bought you for your birthday, remember?"

    So I'm getting old and feeble minded to boot...

    So, in that case, here's the article:

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    Edited by Big Al to remove COPYRIGHT material. Sorry Chuck, you can't do that...
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    Re: Woody Says? (WinXP Pro SP-2)

    Joe:

    Isn't cluster size, and therefore space usage, affected by partition size as well?

    I don't know about NTFS, but in DOS days, clusters could go anywhere from 512 to 4096k depending on partition size, yes?

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    Re: Woody Says? (WinXP Pro SP-2)

    Al:

    Thanks...

    Although they strangely don't show NTFS on that page, do they? It may be some issue with my page frames, but I'm only showing up through DOS 6.21.

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    Re: Woody Says? (WinXP Pro SP-2)

    So isn't that the same cluster size as was the case for DOS systems?

    Wasn't there an advantage to be gained in the smaller cluster size?

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    Re: Woody Says? (WinXP Pro SP-2)

    Is it? I do not interpret the table that way, maybe I have missed something. I have certainly had HDD with MS-DOS with cluster size over 4 kB (XP maximum default).

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    Re: Woody Says? (WinXP Pro SP-2)

    A-h-h-h you're right... that's right, 'cause DOS was at time 8192 that I recall, and maybe larger (?)...

    But that still leaves my question about the smaller sizes being more economical...

    Can you use smaller sizes in XPO?

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    Re: Woody Says? (WinXP Pro SP-2)

    I am no expert in this field and I am happy with the default values of the cluster size in Windows XP / NTFS.

    You can - as mentioned in the MS KB, in help files and elsewhere - change the cluster size from the default value for that specific partition size to something else with option /A: at command prompt formatting or in Disk Management formatting.

    This is not recommended for the average user.

    NTFS support: 512, 1024, 2048, 4096, 8192, 16 kB, 32 kB and 64 kB. If anyone thinks that they will get less slack, wasted disk space, with a smaller cluster size that might be true, but they have to consider performance. With a smaller cluster size multiple data must be read, instead of fewer, larger clusters.

    So, with NTFS, no matter how big the volume is (up to the limit) you will not get a bigger cluster size than 4 kB, and if that isn't good I don

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    Re: Woody Says? (WinXP Pro SP-2)

    Argus:

    What you say is sounding more than correct, but also of good sense.

    I think (for me) that the question only comes up when you come across issues, statements, or posturings that lack sufficient explanation to answer at least the surface questions that often result.

    An easy "for instance" is if you look at command-line explanations, and see the cluster size variable, with little if any description or explanation of cause or effect.

    Thanks for your assist.

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