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    Office 2003 SP2 Bloat (Office 2003 SP2)

    The only way I was able to install SP2 was to use the full 100MB update file.

    Alas, this caused about 250MB less space to be available on the OS drive.
    Did it create another cache file? MSOCache was already on another drive.
    What could have accounted for the added 250MB?

    Anybody else experience this bloat?

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    Re: Office 2003 SP2 Bloat (Office 2003 SP2)

    Most probably, you use Windows XP operating system and you install SP-2 hotfix on the drive where System Restore monitoring is turning on. System Restore made backup copies of all files replaced with new versions during the update. These hidden backups are in Volume System Information folder.
    Windows also keeps copies of all hotfixes installed in WindowsInstaller folder (with random filenames). Look for .MSP (Microsoft Patch) file with size 95 104 KB and the date 8/8/2005 1:25 PM - this is SP-2 patch. You can check it looking in File Properties | Summary.

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    Re: Office 2003 SP2 Bloat (Office 2003 SP2)

    Thanx.

    I do not use XP.

    The Installer files are the problem.

    Not only is the 95MB file there from my successful update, there are there 47MB files which I believe are from my 3 unsuccessful attempts to use the SP2 patch, instead of the full update.

    I think there's a way top remove installer files.

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    Re: Office 2003 SP2 Bloat (Office 2003 SP2)

    Please explain "I do not use XP"?

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: Office 2003 SP2 Bloat (Office 2003 SP2)

    It's difficult to know what you need and what you don't. Let's say you get a new patch or you want to add a feature from the CD. the installer is going to consult some list that indicates which service packs also need to be applied (in part) as a result of the change. I suspect this is in the registry, but when I've looked at those parts before, I never got a clear picture of what it all meant.

    In other words, I have no idea. Perhaps you can back up all that stuff on a CD-R and, if the installer later whines about not finding it, you can copy it back?

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    Re: Office 2003 SP2 Bloat (Office 2003 SP2)

    The problem is that there's no timestamp to let me know when the files were actually recorded on my system, only the timestamp of when they were created at MSFT.

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    Re: Office 2003 SP2 Bloat (Office 2003 SP2)

    Try the folder timestamps, if each patch has a new folder.

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    Re: Office 2003 SP2 Bloat (Office 2003 SP2)

    don't see any directories, just the large .msp files.

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    Re: Office 2003 SP2 Bloat (Office 2003 SP2)

    Problem partially solved.
    Norton Auntie Virus 2005 was a culprit.

    Although the files saved by Office 2003 SP2 did indeed eat a lot of space, I was puzzled by te almost daily, not insignificant, decrease in the free space on my drives.

    Well, I just disabled the protected recycle bin on all drives.
    That resulted in lots of space being freed.

    For example, at some point yesterday, there were 7 263 928 320 bytes used on the J drive, where my main OS lives on my multiboot system.

    After removing the protection on the Recycle bin, the space used on the J drive became 6 422 790 144 bytes.

    This explains, in large part, why I have noticed my free disk space decreasing for reasons unbeknownst to me.

    I installed NAV 2005 in late August 2005, so that was the culprit.
    There were 1991 files in the 10 protected recyle bins on my system.

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    Re: Office 2003 SP2 Bloat (Office 2003 SP2)

    I don't know if Dave got an answer to his request for an explanation for 'I do not use XP', but Office XP was released before Windows XP, and will run on (at least) Windows 98, and Office 2003 may be and presumably is similar in this respect.

    Microsoft seems to love to use identical or similar names, such as explorer, for entirely different creatures.

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    Re: Office 2003 SP2 Bloat (Office 2003 SP2)

    Kaplinb <post#=536716>post 536716</post#> stated some items regarding Windows XP.
    Then Howard replied <post#=536770>post 536770</post#> that he did NOT use XP.

    My question (rephrased) was " How do you use Office 2003 if you do NOT use Windows XP"?

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: Office 2003 SP2 Bloat (Office 2003 SP2)

    You are correct on all counts.

    My observation (rephrased) is that "If you can use Office XP when you do NOT use Windows XP (which was released well after Office XP), then maybe you can use Office 2003 when you do not use Windows XP".

    I admit that is too harsh, since you may simply have wanted to know the details of the setup. The eventual realization that it was Norton (which is consistent with my own memories of Norton), is exactly the sort of detail that someone may have picked up on had he mentioned that Norton was part of the setup.

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    Re: Office 2003 SP2 Bloat (Office 2003 SP2)

    office 2003 does bot require windows xp.

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    Re: Office 2003 SP2 Bloat (Office 2003 SP2)

    Just to clear up the mystery <img src=/S/laugh.gif border=0 alt=laugh width=15 height=15> , Office 2003 requires either Windows 2000 with Service Pack 3 (SP3) OR Windows XP.

    I also suspect that the OP was not too familiar with the Norton Protected Recycle Bin. The NPRB protects all files that have been overwritten, all files deleted by any Windows application, all files deleted from a command prompt, temporary files, and files that programs create during normal operation. On the other hand, the size of the NPRB can be controlled by limiting the number of days to retain these "protected" files and by setting up an "exclusion" list. If the user does not do this, the NPRB may use approximately 50% of available free space on a drive. If the user does take the time to configure it properly, this tool can be a lifesaver at times.

    Of course, Norton is not the only application that can gobble up disk space. Temporary files, installation files that have not been properly removed by an application, temporary internet files, and of course the Windows Recycle Bin itself, etc.
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