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    PDF problem

    Some time ago I tried Foxit PDF Reader and decided that it would meet all my needs for reading/viewing/etc. pdf files and removed that incredibly bloated 50+ meg Adobe Acrobat Reader from my system. Well, now I have a problem. <IMG SRC=http://www.the-highway.com/Smileys/giggle.gif>

    I recently purchased Peter Deegan's, Office Watch "CHRISTMAS Cheer with Office " eBook, which is a 9+ meg .pdf file. Foxit has no problem opening the file and I can read through it, see all the graphics, etc....... EXCEPT, after reading through the document, the most wanted graphics files advertised which come with this "eBook" are included as Attachments. The problem is, Foxit Reader doesn't have a feature that displays or allows access to these attachments (confirmed by Foxit tech support). So, the next logical step was to write to the Ebook Shop Manager for this eBook and ask them if the attachments were available as a separate download (supplying my proof of purchase, of course). Well, much to my surprise and deep disappointment, the reply I got back said basically, install Acrobat Reader, find yourself a .pdf reader that works with attachments or too bad. In other words, Woody and his boys are writing eBooks which are basically for Acrobat Reader users only.... UNLESS there is another .pdf reader out there that can see and/or open "Attachments".

    Needless to say, I won't be purchasing anything offered from Peter Deegan &co. again. Although the writeup does mention Adobe Acrobat, it does NOT say, e.g., "You MUST have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed in order to access the attachments included with this eBook".

    Okay.... anyone know of an alternate .pdf reader that would give me access to these attachments? OR.... does anyone have an idea on how to access them some other way? I simply refuse to reinstall Acrobat Reader again after having cleaned out all its leftover files, Registry entries, etc. when I uninstalled it. <IMG SRC=http://www.the-highway.com/Smileys/Noooo.gif>

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    Re: PDF problem

    Do you really mean Adobe Reader, not the full Adobe Acrobat program?

    Adobe Reader 7.0.5 full is "a mere" 20 MB download. Spectacularly bloated, but Adobe has always been profligate in its use of disk space...

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    Re: PDF problem

    Yes, I meant Adobe Acrobat READER. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15> When I uninstalled it, there was the actual program plus at least one upgrade that was listed in the "Add or Remove Programs" list. And adding up everything that was related it amounted to over 50 megs. Sorry, but I feel the same way about Acrobat Reader as I do about Norton SystemWorks, which I also used for years but got totally fed up with the bloat and finally removed and replaced it with Kaspersky and a couple of free utilities. Uninstalling NSW was admittedly exponentially more time consuming than Acrobat Reader. hehe

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    Re: PDF problem

    A common misconception is to presume that the Size figures in Add/Remove Programs are accurate!

    They can be <UL><LI>fairly accurate<LI>vaguely accurate<LI>spectacularly and ludicrously inaccurate[/list]See the thread starting <!post=here, 399820>here<!/post>, especially Joe's pointer to a Blog...

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    Re: PDF problem

    John,

    I don't want to be rude, but at this point I really couldn't care less how accurate "Add or Remove Programs" is in regard to displaying the size of installed software. What I am wanting is a way to access and save the included attachments which came with that purchased eBook. I have no desire nor intention of installing Adobe Acrobat Reader again. IF this is my ONLY option, so be it. I'll chock this one up to experience, cut my losses and move on, having learned a valuable lesson. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

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    Re: PDF problem

    At least they appear to be consistent then.

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    Re: PDF problem

    Perhaps you can put the book on a USB flash drive and review the attachments at a public library or cybercafe? As Adobe probably invented that particular eBook copy protection scheme, I suspect there are few other options. (The Elcomsoft program to strip protection from Adobe eBooks was the subject of an infamous lawsuit...)

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    Re: PDF problem

    I made mention of The PDF Toolkit in <post#=407,534>post 407,534</post#>:

    "Pdftk allows you to manipulate PDF easily and freely. It does not require Acrobat, and it runs on Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, FreeBSD and Solaris. Pdftk is <img src=/S/free.gif border=0 alt=free width=30 height=15> software (GPL)."

    One of its claims is the ability to "Unpack PDF Attachments".

    Worth a shot, I guess.

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    Re: PDF problem

    Alan,

    Thanks for the suggestion. I gave it shot but it won't work for me. I get an "input error" when I try some of the command lines. Oh well..... !! <IMG SRC=http://www.the-highway.com/Smileys/pout.gif>

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    Re: PDF problem

    Jeff

    Sorry for the diversion about the accuracy or otherwise of Add/Remove Sizes!

    Could I invent an analogy? Suppose you have a job of work which needs doing, and you have already bought the materials for it, but you need a specialised tool to do the work with. Unfortunately you haven't got this tool, but have to borrow it from a friend who lives in the next city. He will let you have borrow it without charge provided you collect it from his house. Collecting the tool will be a bit of an effort, since it is pretty hefty, and you will have to store it in your garage, but, heh, you need to get the job done!

    You have two alternatives: you can do the job, or not. If you don't do the job, you have wasted the money spent on the materials. If you do the job, it will put you to some inconvenience, but you'll be able to use the materials you paid for! (Also, there's a good chance that your friend will forget that you borrowed his specialised tool, and so you may be able to keep it in your garage and use it for other things!).

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    Re: PDF problem

    I completely agree with John. I hate the way the (Adobe/Acrobat) Reader has increased its size, but the truth is it's pretty much become a standard. Yes, there's Foxit and maybe another replacement around, but I don't think they are real popular. In my experience, Foxit hang a couple times the first time I tried it and that was enough for me to uninstalling and going back to AR.

    Since most people have AR, and moreover, given it's <img src=/S/free.gif border=0 alt=free width=30 height=15>, I don't feel it's such a terrible thing to assume people who buy the book has it / can get it. I do understand your pain, though.

    You might want to try an older, way less bloated version of the Reader from oldversion.com.
    If I were you I'd start with version 5 (about 8.5 MB) and see if it works. The bloat started growing exponentially with version 6.

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