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    Attachments and browsers

    Replying to a post just now on the Word board I wanted to attach a file, and read the message to the effect that attachments require a Mozilla compatible browser. I'm using Opera, and had the option set to identify it as Opera. I changed to setting Opera to identify itself as IE, and then I could attach a file.

    Why this limitation? It evidently works when I use Opera as long as it pretends to be something else.

    Ian

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    Re: Attachments and browsers

    Ian

    This comes from the days when there was just netscape and IE in the browser world, then they were very much the same. Netscape would introduce a revision and websites would check what browser you used. If you used Netscape you were directed to one page and another if you used IE. You used to get those horrific words "Best viewed in ...blah blah." Therefore IE changed itself to emulate itself as Mozilla(Netscapes name) to get around this problem.

    In time Microsoft rattled off and started creating new features out growing Netscape and so people started to search for IE in the user agent. In the battle for supremacy of the browser world, sites started to search for Netscape and/or IE and then we got the horrible situation of "Best viewed in IE 5.X" or "Best viewed in Netscape 4.X" gggrrrr

    This got worse as we have two different OS battling it out, Mac and PC

    Opera , although being a good light weight browser has come in late and is becoming a known force in the browser world but used by less than 1% of the community. It has the feature in its ua.ini that allows it to emulate itself as a number of browsers to get around this horrific battle.

    Looking at the blogs, FF, IE, opera and a few others are getting together to discuss these issues and further standardise browser settings as they differ so much. That is until Google have come in and have a different idea to cyber domination (apparently... <img src=/S/innocent.gif border=0 alt=innocent width=20 height=20>)

    There is a host of blogs on the internet with a swathe of opinion on this problem of Opera and its ua.ini preferences(user agent)
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    Re: Attachments and browsers

    Thanks - I knew some of that history. But why does prevent posting attachments to the Lounge with Opera unless it presents itself as Mozilla or IE? Can't the Lounge software handle it? Does the Lounge have to engage in what you called 'this horrific battle'?

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    Re: Attachments and browsers

    Hi Ian

    Sorry if it was sounding like a lecture <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

    I will let Admin and Moderators defend the reasons but I have done some research and the like about browser usage.

    As we are aware Woodys reached its 5th Birthday this month and was affectively around before Opera 7 and 8 were first up and coming. I know from past posts that it is very difficult and hard work to recode and develop the Lounge from its original spec. especially from volunteers.

    Looking at Browser Statistics from W3C that the number of Opera users on the web has always hovered around the 2% mark and were only monitored form 2003 onwards....

    Should it not be a case of Opera trying to catch up with the rest instead of websites having to cater for the very small minority... sorry being contravertial there <img src=/S/evilgrin.gif border=0 alt=evilgrin width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Attachments and browsers

    Just attempting an attachment myself using Opera (8), identified as Opera.

    Let's see... shall we?

    Well.. I'll be darn! There's no option to even attempt an upload. Okay .... where's <img src=/S/claude.gif border=0 alt=claude width=21 height=21> and <img src=/S/wolfman.gif border=0 alt=wolfman width=18 height=24> ??
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    Re: Attachments and browsers

    <img src=/S/innocent.gif border=0 alt=innocent width=20 height=20> <img src=/S/whisper.gif border=0 alt=whisper width=29 height=17>Don't have problem with Firefox <img src=/S/angel.gif border=0 alt=angel width=15 height=21> <img src=/S/devil.gif border=0 alt=devil width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/evilgrin.gif border=0 alt=evilgrin width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Attachments and browsers

    What do you see on this page for Opera? http://jscher2000.home.att.net/webdev/agentinfo.html

    For Firefox 1.5 on Windows XP Pro SP2:

    navigator object properties

    navigator.userAgent = Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8) Gecko/20051111 Firefox/1.5
    navigator.appName = Netscape
    navigator.appCodeName = Mozilla
    navigator.appVersion = 5.0 (Windows; en-US)
    navigator.platform = Win32

    DOM methods/collections

    if(document.getElementById) = true
    if(document.layers) = false
    if(document.all) = false

    For IE6 on Windows XP Pro SP2:

    navigator object properties

    navigator.userAgent = Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)
    navigator.appName = Microsoft Internet Explorer
    navigator.appCodeName = Mozilla
    navigator.appVersion = 4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)
    navigator.platform = Win32

    DOM methods/collections

    if(document.getElementById) = true
    if(document.layers) = false
    if(document.all) = true

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    Re: Attachments and browsers

    Hi Ian

    Further to my last. What version of Opera are you using as there sounds there is good news from the Opera Blogs back in July 2005 about Opera 8.02 final and its ability to spoof. You will also see the number of hits to sites and the relative stats increase

    Opera Watch-stop user agent spoofing
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    Re: Attachments and browsers

    With the Opera browser set to identify as Opera, I get

    Browser Sniffing Tests
    navigator object properties

    navigator.userAgent = Opera/8.51 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en)
    navigator.appName = Opera
    navigator.appCodeName = Mozilla
    navigator.appVersion = 8.51 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en)
    navigator.platform = Win32

    DOM methods/collections

    if(document.getElementById) = true
    if(document.layers) = false
    if(document.all) = true



    With the Opera browser set to identify as IE, I get

    Browser Sniffing Tests
    navigator object properties

    navigator.userAgent = Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; en) Opera 8.51
    navigator.appName = Microsoft Internet Explorer
    navigator.appCodeName = Mozilla
    navigator.appVersion = 4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; en)
    navigator.platform = Win32

    DOM methods/collections

    if(document.getElementById) = true
    if(document.layers) = false
    if(document.all) = true

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    Re: Attachments and browsers

    I'm using Opera 8.51, and I am OK to post attachments as long as I set the preference in Opera for it to identify itself as IE or as Mozilla. It seems a shame in view of the tenor of the story in the link you supplied not to be able to identify as Opera, in the Lounge of all enlightened places.

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    Re: Attachments and browsers

    Yep, we shall see when the Administrators get back from their holly days <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Attachments and browsers

    Some of the Lounge code probably pre-dates Opera, so please don't take it personally (or personally on behalf of your browser). <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Attachments and browsers

    Of course not! Just wondering how it all works.

    Ian

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    Re: Attachments and browsers

    Early in the existence of this version of the Lounge and its short-lived predecessor, the decision was made to primarily support IE, especially in view of the fact that the thrust of the Lounge has always been Microsoft products. Even netscape was not specifically supported in the code of the site. As browsers have come closer in their implementations and their ability to emulate one another, most of them are able to use the Lounge features without too much fallout.

    The Lounge code is a heavily modified creation, largely built by <img src=/S/eileen.gif border=0 alt=eileen width=17 height=15>, with only minor and very cautious modifications by administrators since. We mainly try to keep the current code afloat, and none of us has the time, energy or expertise in its scripting language to allow us to heavily modify it or make quick changes to it. It isn't just the interface implementation but also its interaction with the database that would need to be revamped. It was a labor of love for Mum, but it would be a nightmare to rewrite, so don't hold your breath. <img src=/S/sorry.gif border=0 alt=sorry width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Attachments and browsers

    No problem - I had just wondered about it really.

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