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    TrueImage and USB Drives

    Well, here's the deal. I've got a brand new Dell P4 computer with 3.2 gig CPU, 1 gig RAM and FIVE USB 2.0 ports. I also have a 100 gig USB 2.0 external drive on order which I would plan on using for my TrueImage 9 backup destination. Since I don't have the drive yet and I know it may depend on the setup of that device, I still would like to ask this question. I've searched this forum and read the TI user manual which says the product supports USB devices but I have a more specific question. If one makes backup images TO an external USB drive and needs to restore from the TI bootable CD, will the external USB drive be recognized by the TI boot CD? Is there a special routine that needs to be performed or drivers that need to be loaded in order for the device to be recognized by whatever "flavor" of "DOS" the TI boot CD is using? Sorry for the basic question, but I'm pretty ignorant about USB devices except in the Windows environment.

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    Re: TrueImage and USB Drives

    It will work fine Al. The boot cd is using Linux and it will recognize your hardware. No special procedures or drivers required.
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    Re: TrueImage and USB Drives

    Al,
    Not to worry.
    It will see the USB device fine. <img src=/S/clapping.gif border=0 alt=clapping width=19 height=23>
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    Re: TrueImage and USB Drives

    Al,

    What the other two said. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

    Now... let me give you a little (hopefully) helpful advice. What I have done is to create a separate partition on the USB drive just for TI backup files. And, when I created that partition, I gave it a name, appropriately "Jeff" (I have another partition also for my wife's TI backup files named, "Barb). The reason I'm suggesting that you include a "name" for the partition(s) is that when you use the Boot CD, the drive letters are going to be changed, albeit temporarily, and it becomes a guessing game to figure out where the backup images are stored; particularly if you have more than one set. But the "name(s)" isn't changed and thus it's a no-brainer to recognize. <img src=/S/wink.gif border=0 alt=wink width=15 height=15>

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    Re: TrueImage and USB Drives

    Thanks to all three of you for the speedy replies. Now I can't wait until that package arrives! That IS a good idea about the volume label, Jeff. I started experiencing that problem with DOS and NTFS drives and partitions. Thanks again...

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    Re: TrueImage and USB Drives

    Hey BigAl, just adding my Cdn$0.02.

    When I assembled a new PC a couple of months ago, I used 2 SATA300 WD drives. The first partitioned into 4 logical units and the 2nd was / is to be used for backup only. When I started the TI backups using the Windows approach, my timings were atrocious... compared to my slower old PC. I tried backing up via the TI boot CD and the timings were AOK. So, there was something definitely wrong with SATA drivers / setup in Windows.

    While trying to resolve the SATA situation, I decided to buy a hard drive external enclosure and used one of my old PC's 160GB WD hard drives. The external enclosure has both firewire and USB 2.0 connectors. At first I tried the firewire connection as that is supposed to be faster than USB 2.0 speeds for the type of disk activity to be undertaken. The TI backups whizzed along and faster than the TI boot CD timings using the firewire connections. Unfortunately, in further testing It was determined that the firewire backups were corrupt. I should have know something was screwy because the system was not identifying the WD drives as WD but something really weird.

    Well, I switched the connections to the USB 2.0 ports and all was well. As expected, the timings were a bit slower than the firewire approach but at least all the backup files were intact. I have tested the restore using a full restore via the TI boot CD and file / folder restores via the Windows environment.

    All works as expected and proven, without having to load any drivers beyond those as supplied by Windows XP Pro SP2.

    My only remaining issues are to resolve the firewire port problem and why the SATA drives are not providing the timings as they should. But hey, I'm retired and have lots of time to experiment!!! <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

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    Re: TrueImage and USB Drives

    BigAl,
    As we speeak I am restoring a image using, TI version 8.0, from my NetDrive by XIMETA and is working just fine. For reason I can not go into here, I needed to restore a image I burned last Friday using TI version 8.0 Build 937.

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: TrueImage and USB Drives

    Since you've had success, I thought I should report that my new Seagate USB 100 gig external drive arrived today. According to its instructions, I connected it while XP was running and Windows immediately detected it and assigned a letter to it. I did this in Windows because the Quick Start didn't say whether the drive was formatted or not. Turns out it was formatted as FAT32 so I used the Convert command to change the structure to NTFS.

    I rebooted the machine with my TrueImage boot CD and the external drive was detected, as I've been told it would be! Never having done so before, I made a successful backup to the external drive. My only concern was that this backup too quite some time to complete and generated no log file that I can see. I fell asleep while it was going on so I don't know how long it took. I think maybe my problem was that I backed up the two "Dell special" partitions (EISA and whatever DOS that other one is) rather than just MY partition. See attachment.

    Just now I did another backup from inside Windows and the 10-11 gig took six minutes to backup MY C: drive. I'm not unhappy with that! I've also mounted the first image and restored a handful of random files by drag and drop. Case closed and a big thank you to all...
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    Re: TrueImage and USB Drives

    One last add on and I'll let this drop. First of all, the only reason I'm fooling around with the TI boot CD is to test the viability of my new USB drive. Since I'm not in a good position to need to do a restore, I've been booting from the Acronis CD and testing the BACKUP process instead of the restore. This afternoon I made another test and running a backup of only the C: drive said it was going to take an hour and 48 minutes which seems pretty excessive to me. I let it run for about 20 minutes, thinking that the estimated time would drop quickly as it has done in the past from within Windows. Well, it stayed right up there in that estimated time frame, so I cancelled. Once again loading Windows and running another backup from there took only 5 minutes so I'm concerned as to why doing the same job from the CD takes so long. I guess I won't have to worry about it unless the need for a real restore arises and that process takes unreasonable time. As I said earlier, from what I can tell, the integrity of the backups is good, so that much is OK.

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    Re: TrueImage and USB Drives

    I may just be blowing smoke on this Al, so read into it what you will.

    You mentioned that you've formatted your partition(s) with NTFS - and Rebel mentioned the boot CD for this software you're using, is running a Linux kernel. Depending on the way in which the kernel was compiled, and the specific code used to access the NTFS data, I think you're seeing a read / de-code delay here. NTFS support still isn't great in the Linux world, but it's getting better. Only recently have I read that some of the more popular distributions are supplying read and write access to NTFS partitions as a standard feature.

    As I said off the top, I could be off my rocker on this.
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    Re: TrueImage and USB Drives

    Hey, thanks a bunch for that, Chris. You may be (probably are!) correct about the Linux distro thing. Since I know nothing about that OS, I'll just bide my time and see what happens with Acronis. Meanwhile, using XP and TI, the backups in the "minutes" category are more than acceptable. Since a backup image, again from XP, will "mount" in nothing flat, I can retrieve selected files very easily too.

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