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    Tender document

    I am just going through a tender document for a new system at work and will have the evaluation in about 3 hours so answers may come in a bit late but his is an interesting point (I think)

    The requirement is:

    Must use transitional XHTML 1.0 for interface (IF BROWSER BASED) ---must have

    The tendering company wrote this reply covering this point.

    " Product X browser based products deliver dynamic web pages to the end user through a combination of HTML, client-side JavaScript & CSS and have been built to W3C standards for XML(1.0), HTML (4.0) and JavaScript (1.2)

    As Transitional XHTML (1.0) is built upon and extends the W3C HTML (4.0) standard Product X's browser based products adhere to this requirement"


    Ok, can't argue with the first sentence, but my question is ( as I have difficulty with their flowery language) is, does Product X comply with XHTML 1.0 as I strongly believe there is a very strong smell of BS about the reply?
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    Re: Tender document

    As I read it, it's a <img src=/S/yep.gif border=0 alt=yep width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Tender document

    In the interim, I have researched this deeper than I normally would but it needs clarification from the company that provides Product X. Other tenderers just state "We fully comply with XHTML 1.0 Transitional and Strict"

    So during my research ( to doubly make sure) I viewed the Transitional and Strict DTD's for HTML 4.01 which by definition do not include XML data type definitions ( as we would expect they wouldn't) which begs the question how can they comply to XML 1.0 without a seperate declaration and if they required the seperate declaration why don't they just use XHTML Transitional DTD <img src=/S/dizzy.gif border=0 alt=dizzy width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Tender document

    <img src=/S/whisper.gif border=0 alt=whisper width=29 height=17> Sorry about this, but every time I see the subject of this thread, I imagine you working very carefully on a very badly bruised piece of paper... <img src=/S/laugh.gif border=0 alt=laugh width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Tender document

    <img src=/S/rofl.gif border=0 alt=rofl width=15 height=15>

    Well it is now as I have just returned from their demo and I asked them and they looked all very worried, coughed, spluttered and said that they would get their "Technical Guy" to give me a call!!!!!...The document is looking very tender now as it is screwed up in the bin <img src=/S/evilgrin.gif border=0 alt=evilgrin width=15 height=15>. I shall of course report back with what the technician reports <img src=/S/flee.gif border=0 alt=flee width=25 height=25>
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    Re: Tender document

    I see from the time you wrote the last reply that it won't be too long before you can say, <big>"Tender is the night..."</big> !

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    Re: Tender document

    I've been convinced by people on the Web Development forum at Mozillazine.org that very few sites should use XHTML right now because (1) they don't need the extra features, and (2) browser incompatibilities make it difficult to guarantee how it will be interpreted by the user. So if someone has implemented everything properly in every other respect, the absence of a few extra closing tags should not kill the deal, IMHO.

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    Re: Tender document

    Hi Jeff

    This is the power of the corporate beast unfortunately who has cut the dictum in stone. We are using a lot of our systems (especially intranet) are connected to our CRM systems using legacy systems and middleware in the form of BizTalk. As BizTalk uses extensibly XML and we have Government Gateway authentication using XML as the primary DAT file for authentication we have to be very strict now about our use of the XHTML to allow us to move on in the future.

    The site is an award winner and is the beast that everyone in my area work is striving to be like...so sadly I am stuck with the monster tha is XHTML <img src=/S/sad.gif border=0 alt=sad width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Tender document

    Stick to your chainsaw (a.k.a deal-breaker)! I suspect that - given your line of "business" - none of your tenderers have "XHTML ready" staff (let alone product) & that more <img src=/w3timages/censored.gif alt=censored border=0> like <post#=564964>post 564964</post#> is being dusted off even as you read. <img src=/S/thumbup.gif border=0 alt=thumbup width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Tender document

    <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

    Well I got a garbled email back from them today and you are certainly correct about none of your tenderers have "XHTML ready" staff" apart from 1 which was pretty well impressive to Strict standard and they were able to prove WAI to AAA standard....trouble was their product was <img src=/w3timages/censored.gif alt=censored border=0> <img src=/S/evilgrin.gif border=0 alt=evilgrin width=15 height=15>


    As they said ( and I paraphrase)

    "In summary, we are 95% compliant today and are working to be fully compliant as soon as possible" <img src=/S/drop.gif border=0 alt=drop width=23 height=23>

    It is like saying they are only slightly pregnant. You are or you are not <img src=/S/drop.gif border=0 alt=drop width=23 height=23>
    Jerry

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