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    The "new" icon & "read" posts

    Sorry for the long message, but I'm still confused about what will mark messages read. I am also interested if there's a better organizational way to read new messages. I have my default set for "flat mode" & I don't know if that makes a difference.

    Here's what I do. Let's say I start at the Main Index & it shows that there are unread messages for Win98, IE, & Word forums.
    1. What I do is right click each of those & choose "Open in new window", so now I have a window for each forum (usually only 1 forum at a time, until I've read the messages for that forum).

    2. Each of those in turn has an Orange icon on the left where a thread has a new message. There is also a yellow icon with the word "New" on the right. Again, I right click each of these messages in a given forum & choose "Open in new window". Sometimes I have 10-15 windows open. They appear in flat mode & new ones also have a yellow "New" icon.

    3. Then I read and respond to messages & close each thread window when I'm finished.

    4. Then I'm back at the forum index & I either close it to go on to the next or sometimes refresh it. That's the problem. When I refresh, sometimes the icons turn yellow & the "new" icon goes away; sometimes it doesn't (& in Netscape, I do a shift reload, so it doesn't just pull the old page from the cache).

    The thing I can't fathom is that sometimes the messages are then marked read (no parenthesis at the main index, no orange or "new" icons at the forum index). BUT, if I go to an individual message, I might see a yellow "new" icon or I can shutdown for awhile & come back and the messages are marked AGAIN as new & the forum index has orange icons. And the only "new" message is my post.

    Whew! Any suggestions?

    Thanks in advance.

    One more thing. I just closed IE, then reopened & went to the main index. It showed no new messages for the Lounge. However, I clicked the Lounge & the icon for this message was Orange, not yellow...even though I read my post earlier. Still confused.

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    Re: The

    I just use one window in the FLAT MODE and left click each post I want to open in the list on each board or select the bottom new post in the board listing and open it. Upon finishing that post I select the left arrow on the Orange button which will take me to the previous post. If I make a reply just select the arrow up buton and again select the bottom new post. This works great and will 'Mark each post read', but if someone makes a reply to another read post it will be moved up the list and will be marked as new or unread.

    I think your problem is that you have too many windows open and the main window does NOT know what post(s) you have read or not.
    NEVER use the browser 'Back' and 'Forward' actions when going from post to another.

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    Re: The

    Hi Dave:
    Thanks for the response. I'm still a little confused. When you say, you use 1 screen in flat mode, is your profile default set for flat mode or threaded?

    Also, when you say you select the bottom new post on the board, I'm trying to understand why. Is this because if someone responds while you're reading or answering, the post will be moved up, so that you're always going from bottom to top--i.e. you know you're done when you get to the top?

    The only problem I have with left clicking is that I tend to be impatient & don't want to wait for the message to load. Sometimes it's almost instantaneous, other times there's a considerable wait. Don't you find that to be true?

    I still wonder why messages are marked read & then "unmarked" later! Thanks for all the advice.

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    Re: The

    My profile is set to Flat mode.

    Yes, you hit right on the nose, I do not have to scroll bact to the listing for a reload after reading each post.
    You will find that with each additional window open your computer will be slower in responding.

    I have found that longer loading post have a LOT more replies.

    "I still wonder why messages are marked read & then "unmarked" later! Thanks for all the advice."
    If someone edits their post it may flag to be unread. I have seen this sometimes on my own post with edits.

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    Re: The

    Hi Dave:
    I tried your method. I'm still getting posts marked unread & then later (sometimes in a later session), I get the following:
    1. The main index says there's no new messages.
    2. I click on one anyway. The forum index has orange icons & the yellow new icons. And this may happen for 5 or 6 threads that I read before.

    I had deleted my cache & started over. I wonder if it has something to do with my settings in NS & in IE.

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    Re: The

    Are you clearing the history?
    I have seen this mark things as unread at other types of boards after deleting the history. This should NOT cause it here.

    Are you saving ALL cookies? The settings for read and unread are saved on the Wopr server based on the cookies.

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    Re: The 'new' & 'read' flags

    If you insist on being deviant in the way you use the Lounge, then you'll get deviant results. [img]/w3timages/icons/doh.gif[/img]

    Stop jumping jumping backwards and forwards between IE to NS - they each have a separate cookie.
    Stop opening multiple windows - it wastes your resources, slows you down, blows the ReadCounter's mind, and is inefficient.
    In Flat mode, when you click on any message in a thread you get to see the whole thread. If you don't want to see them all (both read and unread), then use Threaded mode.

    Just do one thing at a time!

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    Re: The new & read flags

    Hi Dave:
    I haven't cleared the history. I remember asking Eileen about cookies once before. She said that the read/unread wasn't affected by cookies; that it's kept in a database on the server.

    In Netscape, I accept cookies, BUT my cookies.txt file is set to "Read-only". So NS doesn't save cookies. In IE, I do save cookies.

    Still puzzled.[img]/w3timages/icons/frown.gif[/img]

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    Re: The new & read flags

    Hi Eileen:

    I'll try, but it's hard[img]/w3timages/icons/baby.gif[/img]. I use Express Browser to load 6 pages at a time & it uses my default browser, which is IE. But my email program is Netscape & that takes me right to a message.

    I honestly find that it's faster to open several windows because I can read one while others are loading. Maybe I misunderstood a previous post; I thought that the read counter had nothing to do with cookies--that it was kept on the server database.

    It's actually working better than before because I just set both Netscape & IE to refresh with every visit to a page, rather than once per session.

    I promise if you explain a couple of things to me, I won't bother you any more[img]/w3timages/icons/smile.gif[/img][img]/w3timages/icons/kiss.gif[/img][img]/w3timages/icons/grin.gif[/img]. [Boy, it hurts to cross all your fingers][img]/w3timages/icons/grin.gif[/img].

    If I use Netscape only and I come in through the back door (clicking an email message), what would I have to do to make sure that the message gets marked as read?

    Does it make a difference if I reply to that message or not? i.e. do I have to do something different to mark the reply read?

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    Re: The new & read flags

    Coming in through by e-mail does it KNOW who you are?
    Do you have to log in before making a reply?

    This may be THE problem also.

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    Re: The new & read flags

    Ok, one last time! (I'm supposed to be fixing the Signature bug.)

    In your case I'd use NS exclusively when you visit the Lounge. It checks your cookie to see who you are and if it has to do this for six different 'sessions', there's no way it can tell which one is doing what.

    Definitely set your cache to reload 'every time'. That's essential - I'll add it to the guidelines.

    If you come in through an email 'back-door', I find it jerks it into recognising you if you go back to the top of the board (the up-arrow over on the right). Once you've done that you can continue in comfort.

    You don't have do anything other than read a post to have it marked read.

    One buglet - that seems to persist - is the first message in a thread seems to RE-mark itself orange periodically...

    Now, leave me alone for a bit or I'll never get to fixing the Sigs. [img]/w3timages/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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    Re: The new & read flags

    Hi Dave:

    I read Eileen's post & yes, it finds out who I am when I come in the back door. It doesn't know immediately. Eileen pointed out that if I click the up arrow, it then knows who I am. Also, I can reply immediately without logging in so it must recognize me that way too. I don't log out, so I don't have to keep re-entering my username & password.

    I think I understand now (well, to an extent). Eileen pointed out the multiple sessions confuses the counter.

    I'll leave you guys alone now. Thanks for the info (tell mommy "Thank you", but wait until she fixes the Sig file)[img]/w3timages/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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