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    messed up paging file

    All of a sudden I'm getting erroneous msgs from W2k at boot (after I log on) that the paging file is too small. I changed its size in Performance Options, press SET and reboot but the new size never takes effect. It stays at 20MB even though the Virtual Memory dialog shows both drives set to 382-512MB for size. I have one 9GB drive partitioned into two equal partitions both of which have over 2GB of free space. I read a thread on this same problem dated March but none of those suggestions helped. The MSKB reference was about installing a service pack to Visual Studio but I don't even that that installed (I'm only working in Excel VBA at the moment so don't need it). I have Service Pack 1 installed on W2K with 256MB.
    Any clues? This is driving me batty. When I had NT I was used to reformatting the drive every 6 months due to growing sludge, I'm thinking I need to do that here too. Any repair solutions?

    Thanks,Deb

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    Re: messed up paging file

    Try:
    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.jsiinc.com/subf/tip2700/rh2733.htm>JSI Tip 2733</A>

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    Re: messed up paging file

    Thanks for the registry entry but when I went to that entry, the "PagingFiles: value was already set to what the Performance Options menu says (My Computer > Properties > Advanced > Performance Options). This shows virtual memory is 20MB for all drives. When I reboot, Windows still says it's only set to 20MB no matter what i set it to in this menu. Someone else mentioned that I should change it in the Performance Options menu not MMC which is what I have done (I didn't know that you could do it in MMC so I never went to that menu). The registry entry says:

    cagefile.sys 382 512 dagefile.sys 382 512

    I have one physical 9 GB disk divided into two even partitions.

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    Re: messed up paging file

    FYI. I unhid the system files and see that cagefile.sys is indeed 384KB as it is set to but I still get an error at boot (after logon) that the paging file is too small (20MB). When I go to change it in Advanced > Performance Options, I get a warning msg that "Windows has created a temporary paging file... because of a problem that occured with your paging file configuration." Can I delete the paging file and reboot to try and fix this erroneous error? What about changing the registry entry from 1 to 0 that has to do with the temp paging file?

    I've got 256MB of RAM so it's frustrating that I'm always running out of resources because of this bogus error. No fixes suggested so far worked.

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    Re: messed up paging file

    Did you ever get this sorted?

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    Re: messed up paging file

    Nope, never did. I even deleted the registry entry that had the paging size (the correct size, what it shows in Performance Ops) and rebooted but the system still sets it to 20MB. I'm living with it and just don't open as many apps. I don't know if reinstalling the OS will fix it and I don't want to reinstall my apps. I haven't checked if there is a 'repair' type of install or not. I've had NT for 8 years and not as familiar with 2000 yet.
    Thanks for checking back.
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    Re: messed up paging file

    Something to try:

    Open up files in (e.g.) Word on C + D. From my computer, select each drive | properties | tools and schedule a bootime chkdsk. Close Word. (Word having open documents will prevent the chkdsk running immediately.)

    Set pagefile to minimum you can on all drives (zero), reboot and let chkdsk run on all drives

    Defrag all drives

    Reset your pagefile to what you want. I recommend setting the min and max values to the same value (to prevent possible fragmentation of the pagefile as it grows with your needs.)

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    Re: messed up paging file

    I've had problems similar to this--some seemed to be related to the paging file getting fragmented. One thing that's worked for me is to borrow a second hard drive, move the page file there, defrag the original drive, and then re-create the paging file on the original drive.

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    Re: messed up paging file

    Ok, so I went through your list of things to do exactly as you listed them (actually I did it twice for the heck of it) but I still get the "paging file too small or missing" error and no matter what I set it to, it stays at 20MB. I give up now. I don't have a 2nd hard drive to move the file to as the other reader suggested. I'll leave it for now and maybe I'll feel ambitious (read that as 'bored') this weekend and reload Win2k for the heck of it. Fortunately I have two other machines I can use so it won't be a disaster if this one gets hosed.
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    Re: messed up paging file

    FYI. Here's a dump of my system info. I notice that the paging file is called temppf.sys and goes w/the message that the OS has created a temporary paging file because of whatever error. I odn't know if any of this helps in figuring out the reason why I can't resize my page file.

    Deb

    System Information report written at: 06/29/2001 12:07:56 AM
    [System Summary]

    Item Value
    OS Name Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional
    Version 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1 Build 2195
    OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
    System Name DEBORAHS-W2K18
    System Manufacturer Hewlett-Packard
    System Model HP Kayak PC Workstation
    System Type X86-based PC
    Processor x86 Family 6 Model 7 Stepping 3 GenuineIntel ~500 Mhz
    BIOS Version PhoenixBIOS 4.0 Release 6.0.J
    Windows Directory C:WINNT
    System Directory C:WINNTSystem32
    Boot Device DeviceHarddisk0Partition2
    Locale United States
    User Name CISCO_ENGdeborahs
    Time Zone Pacific Daylight Time
    Total Physical Memory 261,684 KB
    Available Physical Memory 127,644 KB
    Total Virtual Memory 522,336 KB
    Available Virtual Memory 279,096 KB
    Page File Space 260,652 KB
    Page File C:WINNTSystem32temppf.sys <img src=/S/igiveup.gif border=0 alt=igiveup width=31 height=23>

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    Re: messed up paging file

    It's too early after a late Friday night for my brain to be up to speed and disect the following, but you may have better luck:

    Win2000mag Post 152767

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    Re: messed up paging file

    It's fixed now!!! The link you sent in the Win2000 mag had quite a few suggestions all of which I tried except the one about making sure group EVERYONE was set on the drive. I checked this and it was not set (I don't know if it ever was or if it got unset somehow) but after I added this group and reboot, the error went away and my paging file is now the size it should be (382MB). Before reboot though I also messed with the registry a bit changing something referring to 'temppf.sys' which is what was stuck at 20MB and preventing the real paging file from being active so I can't say for sure which of these two things did it. Thank you very much for continuing to persue possible solutions. You went out of your way.
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    Re: messed up paging file

    Glad to be of help. My money would be on the Everyone group issue, so for completeness:

    Q242447 Changes to Paging File Settings Are Not Retained

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    Re: messed up paging file

    OK, it's a year later... and I found this old post which seems to describe my problem quite well. Trouble is, the solutions proposed don't seem to work. In addition to the two MS solutions that Leif has posted, I've also found:

    Q140472 Limited Virtual Memory Error When Starting Windows NT

    Microsoft's Resolutions reads: "The best solution is to add the user System with full access to the root directory. By default, File Manager will update all the files in whatever directory that is being modified to give them the same permissions, so it will give the System full access to the directory and the Pagefile.sys file. " But, quite honestly, I don't understand this! Are they suggesting that "System" is a user? Where would this be on my computer? (BTW, MS says this was by design)

    And if I go back to one of the earlier posts:
    Q259151 Paging File Functionality Requires System Account Permissions and Proper Size
    It indicates that the following steps be taken:

    3. On the File menu, click Properties. Click the Security tab to view the current permissions.
    4. Click Add , click System , and then click Add .
    5. Click Administrators , click Add , and then click OK . Note that you must click Administrators , not Administrator .
    6. Click System , and then click to select the Full Control check box. This automatically selects the other check boxes.

    But in W2K, there is no "Security" tab under "Properties". OK... So, I'll assume they mean Sharing | Permissions. However, I then get the error message when clicking Permissions that this "has been shared for administrative purposes. The permissions cannot be set"

    If I understand this "FEATURE" properly, I need to change the permissions to allow the Paging File to be controlled by the System. But it seems that I can't get access? Where am I erring? (I'm sure that I'm just not reading MS' knowlege base correctly -- it must be me)

    Thanks all,
    Frank

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    Re: messed up paging file

    This (again!) is not one of my strong points, but let's have a go.

    Are you logged in as Administrator, or as a user with Administrator rights?

    From "My Computer" or Explorer, single click your C: drive, then from the File menu select Properties.
    Does it not bring up a window like below?
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