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    Re: IE 7 Beta 2 released (IE 7)

    Bob:

    Thanks... that sheds light on it...

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    Re: IE 7 Beta 2 released (IE 7)

    Chuck, you're right. They are a form of back-up - of the System, rather than your data. As you can see - if you wade through the article far enough - the key files are actually very few in number. Windows actually retains a spare copy of items in any event. What a System Restore does is hive off an extra copy at the Restore "Point in time" (to mix expressions). The "back up your registry" suggestion I was making earlier was in case anyone had some blind spot about using Restore Points. HTH
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    Re: IE 7 Beta 2 released (IE 7)

    unkamunka:

    I could (EASILY) be missing something, but it seems that Restore points, just like registry backups, are really makeshift. They all seem to miss pieces that, if you happen to be performing an operation that crosses the lines of same, will in many ways invalidate any rescue op.

    It's strange to me that MS has never come right out in favor of, and in description of partition imaging as a tool, even to build it right into Win-Xp...

    Oh well...

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    Re: IE 7 Beta 2 released (IE 7)

    As Restore Points preserve neither data nor applications, I am unclear what "operation that crosses line of same" you have in mind. In some ways, they RPs are rather narrow. Because of that, I am pressed to find an example that jibes with your concept.

    Backup - in terms of M$'s in-built NTBackup program - seems to come a ways down the priority list for M$:<UL><LI>Shadow Copying - which allows live copying of in use files (such as system files) - is fairly new.<LI>for a long time, a year or so ago, Shadow Copying of system files was completely busted under XP due to a conflict with a Security Patch<LI>the feature set of NTBackup is getting - so we understand - a very long overdue full rewrite in Vista (whenever that finally makes it to market).<LI>if folks image their drives, then they are less likely to need to reactivate with M$ over the phone after yet another reinstall. Whether feedback from the reactivation phonebank has prioritised the NTBackup rewrite, I do not know <img src=/S/shrug.gif border=0 alt=shrug width=39 height=15><LI>Imaging is AFAIK definitely not in the "feature set" for Vista. I suspect that if M$ wanted to incorporate the technology, they would have to buy it in - either by licensing or by taking over an existing player.[/list]FWIW I fully encourage both partitioning and imaging. OTOH I am innately sceptical of products with what used to be called "Madison Avenue" buzzwords (such as, for example: "Magic" or "True") in their titles - sceptical enough to study their feature sets and then establish whether a competitor offers the same feature set on similar terms.

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    Re: IE 7 Beta 2 released (IE 7)

    unkamunka:

    I think I at times am a bit long-winded, losing thread...

    What I was trying to say is that to the non-tech, or less-systems-features-converrsant, the different ways of backing up ALL can be seen as adequate, depending on whom you listen to at any one point.

    But backig up the registry doesn't save your start menu, desktop, etc; restore points save little of same, imaging is both space and time intensive...

    And yest, different people recommend different ways... but usually just one of the many, which will not be enough in the case of (several) various that might hit...

    I just went and (again) walked through MS's backup utility... it cannot even backup up to a CD, so in today's world of larger files, it becomes next to pointless...

    I know... there ARE methods. Some of these I have found, and they HAVE saved my butt a few times.... they generally integrate a couple (or more) types of backup into a "process"

    My point it that I found these myself (aided by others we won't mention), NOT in some MS instruction manual or User Guide for the Intermediate or overly adventurous... The link you sent me to has all the breakdown of THAT methodoly... without stating the "here's what you're NOT backing up, so here's what ELSE you need to do..."

    It becomes a seriously time-intensive function to find any type of consistent solution.

    That's whay the everyday neophyte finds it confusing at best, and heartbreaking at worst when "the one thing they couldn't afford to lose" gets lost...

    Maybe someday...

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    Re: IE 7 Beta 2 released (IE 7)

    Chuck

    We have been backing up our Windows/Exchange 2003 server to DDS tapes for about 18 months now using NTBackup, recently scheduled and augmented by an excellent program called BackupAssist (from Australia!). It's not often I am enthusiastic about a piece of software (as longtime Loungers will know!) but BackupAssist is Jolly Good Software!

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    Re: IE 7 Beta 2 released (IE 7)

    I think that the book you're looking for - although it's now slightly out of date - is The Book That Should Have Come with Your Computer.

    If you're looking for suggestions, these are on the basis that you're basically a "one man band". They're based on a "low hassle", "keep it simple" policy. Many you may already have in place. <UL><LI>Keep your data on a separate partition. This means moving both your "My Documents" folder and the entire [username]Application Data folder tree. (The latter move will capture Outlook Express files - among many other things.), You can do likewise for almost all Documents and Settings: Start Menu, Desktop, etc - if you wish.<LI>Additionally, move your Outlook PST to the data partition.<LI>Get yourself an external hard drive ("EHD").<LI>Move anything you haven't looked at at all in the last 12 months to the EHD - unless it is absolutely "mission critical".<LI>Back up all your Data folders, the Outlook PST and the Application Data folder to the EHD every 24 hours. (NTBackup - or any other backup program - will do this for you automatically.) <LI>As a "one man band", you are unlikely to need more than the most recent backup. If something is "mission critical", make duplicate copies during each phase of development and let those get backed up.<LI>Reserve using partition images to capture the OS partition after you've set it up - with most/all your necessary programs etc freshly installed & tweaked. Like anyone else, you're bound to end up installing stuff that you later don't want/do not use. Backing such stuff up with imaging can be a Waste Of Time. In other words, 1 image is probably enough. That also belongs on the EHD. Updating it is almost certainly not worth the effort.<LI>If you get a malware infestation, do an extra run of your Data backup - to a different location - to allow for rescuing any undamaged data from amongst the damaged data. Then restore your OS from the image. Trying to "clean up" will almost certainly cost you more time than tweaking the image back to your current setup. For me, this would be the one instance where you could update the image - for "keeper" adjustments only.<LI>If you're worried about the impact of M$ updates, don't install them straight away Unless you can image overnight, imaging just for the sake of avoiding "early patch fallout" is likely to be more trouble than it's worth. Remember any image still has to be tweaked back to what you had before. Allowing for that - as well as having to pick up your threads several times over - can mean (at least) half a day's work.<LI>After all, computers are supposed to save time - not give us large opportunities to waste it! <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>[/list]
    If you're a compulsive downloader visiting all sorts of unfamiliar sites <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>, you need a more intensive routine. In that case, I would suggest keeping Data backups for each day of the week. The other recommendations remain the same.

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    Re: IE 7 Beta 2 released (IE 7)

    Bob,

    What exactly does this spoof do? Do you mean by spoof that IE7 will tell web sites that it is really IE6, but it won't remove any of the IE7 features and functionality? Or does it change IE7 in other ways? If the former, that could be useful since some sites won't load in IE7. The new Yahoo! won't load in IE7.
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    Re: IE 7 Beta 2 released (IE 7)

    Andrew,
    This is a copy of the reg file to spoof IE7 into looking like IE6.
    The UNspoof.reg just reverses what it changed.
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    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREWow6432NodeMicrosoftWind owsCurrentVersionInternet Settings5.0User Agent]
    "Version"="MSIE 6.0"
    "Platform"="Windows NT 5.1"

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREWow6432NodeMicrosoftWind owsCurrentVersionInternet SettingsUser AgentPost Platform]
    "SV1"=""

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREWow6432NodeMicrosoftInte rnet ExplorerVersion Vector]
    "IE"="6.0000"


    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftWindowsCurrentV ersionInternet Settings5.0User Agent]
    "Version"="MSIE 6.0"
    "Platform"="Windows NT 5.1"

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftWindowsCurrentV ersionInternet SettingsUser AgentPost Platform]
    "SV1"=""

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftInternet ExplorerVersion Vector]
    "IE"="6.0000"
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    Looks like it just makes IE7 LOOK like IE6 to other sites.
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    Re: IE 7 Beta 2 released (IE 7)

    OK, I'll give it a try and report back.

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    Re: IE 7 Beta 2 released (IE 7)

    Hi Bob,

    May I ask what you were point to when you linked to "571"? I ended up at post <post#=360>post 360</post#>?

    Also, with this new release of IE, I also was having trouble accessing certain websites and I thought maybe it was my installation of IE so I uninstalled it? Are you saying that if I edit my registry and put what you have in your <post#=575,025>post 575,025</post#>, that it should make it work okay?

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    Re: IE 7 Beta 2 released (IE 7)

    I just applied the Spoof and tried to get to my banking site with IE 7 and it worked like a charm.

    I "temporarily deleted the post number"
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    Re: IE 7 Beta 2 released (IE 7)

    Skitterbug,
    I don't know if the spoof will work for all sites but it DID do the trick to allow my bank to "recognize" IE7.

    Now the second thing......
    With IE 7 now I can't click on 1 click tag panel or smilies OR even manually create a clickable link to a post in the Lounge. I also just noticed that I can't enter a post number in the "view post number" block at the top of the control panel page.

    The 571 was the result of trying to refer to my prior post # 571,360. It cut off the rest of the post number?
    I'll go to the test area and try a few things to see if I can clear the latest IE 7 problem.
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    Re: IE 7 Beta 2 released (IE 7)

    Bob,

    You can insert a link to a post as <code><!t>[post#=571360]<!/t></code> (no comma in the post number) or as <code><!t>[post: 571,360]<!/t></code> (as in the header of the post). Mixing the two forms doesn't work, as you found. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

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    Re: IE 7 Beta 2 released (IE 7)

    Hans,
    I just tried that in the test area BUT the post wasn't clickable?

    <post:=571,360>post 571,360</post:>
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