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    Terminal XP illness? (Windows XP Home Edition)

    Two weeks ago, the PC kept switching itself off uninvited.
    A System Restore failed - it froze up three quarters of the way through. Eventually, I losgt almost everything - it would not even start up in safe mode.
    Eventually, I followed some instructions from the Microsoft web-site which got the computer going again.
    After this, my broadband connection (which links to the router via the phone line) disconnected itself off at ever decreasing intervals (this has been working fine for two years)
    I got a USB wireless adaptor which worked initially, but again disconnected itself at ever decreasing intervals.
    Yesterday, the PC started freezing up regularly
    I ran a Registry cleaner program which corrected 330 faults.
    The PC is running again, but the network is switching itself again at ever decreasing intervals.
    is there anything I can do or do I have to re-install Windows
    I bought the computer late 2002 and XP was installed on it. I'm not sure if I have upgraded or not

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    Re: Terminal XP illness? (Windows XP Home Edition)

    Hello and welcome to the Lounge,

    I think you may have a few unrelated problems.
    You say you are not sure if XP is updated or not? Do you have the Automatic Update feature turned on?
    Right click on the "My Computer" Icon, then click on properties. What does that first screen say?
    That should at least tell you if you have the latest service pack 2 installed. See the screenshot below.

    On that same screen, move to the Advanced tab>Start up and recovery>settings. Under system failure, See if the box is unchecked for " automatic restart"

    Same initial screen, click hardware>Device manager. Look for any yellow warning icons, indicating a problem with a piece of hardware.

    Start with these and post back with what you found.
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    Re: Terminal XP illness? (Windows XP Home Edition)

    Yes, I do have SP2.

    The 'automatic restart' box is ticked.

    In the systme hardware, there are two devices with problems, but one of these is an ethernet card (NVIDIA nFORCE Networking Adapter) and I think the other is the phone line connection for the network (D-link DFE-528TX +PCI adapter). Neither of these is connected.

    I am currently in SAFE mode, and the wireless connection has stayed connected for over an hour (a record for the last few days!)

    Should I go to normal connection to see the system?

    Many thanks

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    Re: Terminal XP illness? (Windows XP Home Edition)

    Have started up in normal mode and everything is the same as in Safe mode. The wireless adaptor was connected to the network initially but is no longer. It is not, however, showing up as faulty on the System Hardware list.

    I can get it to re-connect by unplugging the device from the USB port and plugging in again. But it only stays connected for five minutes or so.

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    Re: Terminal XP illness? (Windows XP Home Edition)

    The D-Link device should be your broadband card and you say that it isn't connected?

    Download the latest driver for this at: D-LINK528

    Uninstall the old driver from the Device Manager and then install the new driver that you downloaded.

    Also, UNtick the automatic restart box

    Have you downloaded all the updates from Microsoft Windows update?
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    Re: Terminal XP illness? (Windows XP Home Edition)

    Success - my wireless broadband connection had been running successfully for two hours - a record for the last week!

    I have unticked the automatic start box as you recommended

    I have updated Windows from the Microsoft site (there were only three updates required apparently).

    I was not able to download the file you recommended, but I am not using this adaptor for broadband - I got a new USB wireless network adaaptor after the problems started and its driver is up-top-date

    I also ran MSCONFIG (following another advice book), and disabled all the start-up programs.

    Of course, one should only vary one thing at a time!

    First I will let the PC run overnight to see if it crashes.

    If not, I guess I will need to go through the start-up programs to see which, if any, is causing the problem.

    If it does crash, then I hope I can call on you again.

    In the mean-time, many, many thanks!

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    Re: Terminal XP illness? (Windows XP Home Edition)

    I spoke too soon.

    The wireless has now disconnected itself. The computer was switched on but not being used.

    I had to Restart to get the connection back.

    So the problem is not solved .

    What next?

    Thanks

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    Re: Terminal XP illness? (Windows XP Home Edition)

    If you still have the Windows XP CD available, I would do a "Repair Reinstall".
    Set your BIOS if necessary, to boot to the CD first. When the XP screen comes on, it will ask if you want to install or repair XP. DON'T use the first screen repair option. ( THAT IS THE REPAIR CONSOLE ). Click yes to install and it will bring up the second screen with install or repair. Click on repair here and follow the prompts to do the repair of XP. This way will not destroy any settings or apps that you have installed, and just replace the Windows OS.

    ( BTW, when you answer a post, you should click on the reply icon of the person you are working with. Your last two replies were to yourself, so I didn't get the email announcing that someone had replied to me. ) <img src=/S/sad.gif border=0 alt=sad width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Terminal XP illness? (Windows XP Home Edition)

    Apologies for replying to the wrong place.

    The plot thickens!

    I dismantled the PC to move it to a different room (fr reasons not related to this problem)

    When I put it together again, the wireless connection worked and continued to do so overnight - it didn't switch itself off at all. I don't think this was a problem with the wireless signal as this was shown as 'very good' or excellent' all the time it was connected.

    I had planned to add a USB 2.0 card for some time (the existing one was USB 1.1) and decided to do this. The wireless connection continued to work after I did this.

    Given the problesm I have been having, I thought I would follow your advice and do a "Repair Install"

    When i got the point in the process where I was asked to agree to the licence conditions, I pressed F8 as requested but nothing happened. I left it for several minutes but nothing happened. I then pressed ESC to 'Not accept' the conditions and it returned to a state where I was able to re-start and get back to where I was previously.

    So the computer now works, but I suspect that it is dodgy, and it looks as if I cannot repair or re-install XP (I have the orginal disk).

    Whe I try to run the installation program from Windows rather than by booting up, it says it cannot do so because the installed Windows is a newer version than that on the CD which is XP with SP1 (the computer was bought in 2002)

    I guess I can stick with it for now but I have lost confidence in it. Is there anything else I can do to repair it?

    Again, many thanks for your help.

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    Re: Terminal XP illness? (Windows XP Home Edition)

    What you should do is slipstream your WinXpSP1 and the SP2 upgrade. This will combine the two versions into ONE CD so you can then do a Repair Install without the old-new version clash.

    The easiest way to do this is to get a copy of the Free download, AUTOSTREAMER.
    Have your copy of XP SP1 and a copy of the SP2 update. Run Autostreamer and it will first ask for XPSP1, then SP2 and combine write them to a single CD.
    Instructions ( more detailed ) are also on that site.

    Once you have the slipstreamed CD, you should be able to do a Repair as outlined above.
    You will still have to go to the WIndows Update site to get all updates that came out since SP2.
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    Re: Terminal XP illness? (Windows XP Home Edition)

    I have not been back in touch because I have not done anything since your last post.

    The main reason for this is because the computer has been running without any problems since I moved it.

    I now wonder if all the problems could have been due to overheating. It was located in the same place since installation in 1999, under a small table sitting on a carpet.

    We had no problems until this recent set of incidents. We had started running the BBC's climate modeller in the background in March, and I have seen reports that this can cause overheating.

    It is still running the Climate Modeller but is on a wooden floor with nothing over it so is probably getting more air circulation.

    What do you think?

    We have now bought a new PC - we were planning to do this soon anyway. I plan to keep the old one as a second PC, and have decided to re-install Windows XP from scratch as we have now copied everything. I will stream the XP SP1 with the SP update as you describe and go from there. I will let you know how I get on.

    It is great to have people like you out there who provide help to total strangers for nothing. Truly what the web is about. Thanks again.

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    Re: Terminal XP illness? (Windows XP Home Edition)

    You are very welcome.
    Glad to hear that you are back running OK.
    Moving the box may have accomplished a few things.
    Better heat dissapation and air flow. Overheating can cause many weird problems with no specific patterns to point to the culprit.
    Moving may also have caused a partially loose connection to reseat itself. for example, a loose cable connector to a device or a card being not seated very well.

    I am not a big fan of floor mounted machines, being subjected to dust, vibration and occasional kicks. Not to mention the awkward location to insert disks or see LED status lights. So if at all possible, I would recommend getting the unit off the floor.

    Slipstreaming XP and SP2 is a very handy thing to do. Reinstalls then only require updating from the date of last Service pack, not all the way back to the start of time or the Age of Enlightenment.!! <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

    Good luck with your new hardware and let us know if you need any assistance.
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    Re: Terminal XP illness? (Windows XP Home Edition)

    Back again!

    I created the new Windows CD as you advised.

    When I run this in Windows XP, it seems to work ok now (i.e doesn't say that I the version on the CD is older than the installed one)

    However, when I try to run it from booting onto it. I get the same problem as before. When I get to the page which asks me to accept or reject the licence, and I press F8 to accept, nothing else happens. If I press ESC, it exits as it should.

    I assume that it is not sensible to attempt to re-install from Windows which now appears possible.

    Is there anything else I can do?

    Thanks

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    Re: Terminal XP illness? (Windows XP Home Edition)

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    I assume that it is not sensible to attempt to re-install from Windows which now appears possible.
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    I think I may be getting confused as to just where you stand right now.

    You created the Slipstreamed CD with XP and SP2 on it. Right?
    Now, if you try for a REPAIR reinstall, it asks you for a license agreement?

    It sounds like you are trying for a brand new install rather than a REPAIR reinstall.

    I would try again to reinstall XP with the <big>Second screen </big> choice of Repair.
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    Re: Terminal XP illness? (Windows XP Home Edition)

    This is what I am doing:

    I restart the computer with the slipstreamed CD inserted.

    When I get to 'Press any key to re-boot from CD', I press a key.

    It then goes into 'Windows Set-up'

    Eventually, I get a screen with three options

    1) To set up Windows XP, press ENTER
    2) To repair using the Recovery Console, press R
    3) To quit without installing XP, press F3

    I choose 1) as you advised previously.

    I am then presented with the licence agreement, with F8 to agree, ESC to quit.

    I press F8 and nothing happens.

    ??????/

    Cheers

    PS I have actually decided to a clean re-install as everything I need has been copied onto the new PC but would like to try a repair first.

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