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    Create archives from the recycle bin?

    I had a friend who used the recycle bin the way most people would use a pile of paper beside the desk: drop it there and forget it but it'll still be there when you want it. She'd go back to the recycle bin and recover any file she wanted later. Of course that all ended when she did a disk clean up and lost all the files she thought she just set aside.

    This got me wondering if there was some sort of second chance application that would monitor the recycle bin and make backups of everything dropped into it. Anyone run across something like that?

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    Re: Create archives from the recycle bin?

    No, I have not run across something like that, and I think such a tool would obstruct the idea behind the recycle bin; to delete something with the potential of later being able to recreate it if not the recycle bin has been emptied. A backup stored somewhere else would mean nothing would never be deleted, if not using the shift-delete to bypass recycle bin.

    To me this seems like an education issue: do not use the recycle bin for storage. If such is needed on the desktop, add a folder on the desktop.

    If there is any need for recovery, you can always try PC INSPECTOR File Recovery.

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    Re: Create archives from the recycle bin?

    Norton SystemWorks from Symantec includes Norton Protected Recycle Bin, which allows you to recover files.

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    Re: Create archives from the recycle bin?

    <P ID="edit" class=small>(Edited by AlanMiller on 18-Aug-06 00:14. )</P>The closest related software I know of is a component of Norton SystemWorks 2006. It adds an extra "layer" to the Recycle Bin, allowing restoration even after the bin has been emptied.

    Thinking about it, it doesn't seem too hard to set up a "Storage" folder, built for that purpose, containing an Index file which holds the original path of each "stored" item, sent to the folder via Send To -> Storage. A context menu, associated with items held in "storage" could then be used to Restore them, the way the recycle bin does. Food for thought <img src=/S/burga.gif border=0 alt=burga width=40 height=15>

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    PS. File & Data Recovery might have something of interest too.

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    Re: Create archives from the recycle bin?

    Surely the best solution is education? Rubbish bins get emptied, occasionally.

    We have people who use Outlook's Delete folder as somewhere to keep unwanted emails. (Or at least, they did use it this way.... <img src=/S/evilgrin.gif border=0 alt=evilgrin width=15 height=15> )

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    Re: Create archives from the recycle bin?

    I have to agree with John on this one, the trash / recycle / rubbish / etc.. folders aren't meant for storage of the files. Create a separate folder for archiving / storage purposes, and use the trash for trash.

    My wife works the same way most others do, just pressing the delete option to send it to the trash. 99% of the time, there's no need to recover a file for her. The other 1% of the time, it was a mistaken selection, which is immediately recovered. I've recently started having her empty the trash on a weekly basis, and there's been no complaints (yet).

    I'm working towards having her SHIFT-DELETE files, and having good backups available.
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    Re: Create archives from the recycle bin?

    Amen to both you and John! Trash is trash and should be emptied periodically, not used for storage. Like you, I empty my recycle bin every WEEK when I backup the computer. With two external drives and alternating backups, I have at least eight weeks of backups. If you don't discover a "mistake in deleting" by that time, something's got to be wrong with the decision making process for deleting files.

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    Re: Create archives from the recycle bin?

    Hi Al

    While I agree with you, John and Chris i.e. trash cans are for trash, the ill conceived practice of using the trash for storage is not that of the OP, who asked:

    "This got me wondering if there was some sort of second chance application that would monitor the recycle bin and make backups of everything dropped into it."


    Personally, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an app (quite separate from the trashcan) that could hold "maybe useful later" files, with the ability to restore them the same way as the trashcan can. I might cobble something up if someone thinks they'd want to try it out.

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    Re: Create archives from the recycle bin?

    I have a "Junk" folder or two that I throw things into and then go clean the folder out once in a while.

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: Create archives from the recycle bin?

    I do much the same, but I was thinking of something with the ability to restore files to their original locations if desired. I'm surprised there's nothing around to address that. Maybe there is?

    Alan

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    Re: Create archives from the recycle bin?

    Alan,
    After your and Hans' reply I remembered Norton SW and its protected recycle bin. I even used NSW for some time, but didn't like, or had so much use, for the tools. For recovery, I guess it would work great. In my answer, I focused on backups and I don

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    Re: Create archives from the recycle bin?

    Please don't feel offended, Argus.

    Although they don't say so explicitly, I think several of the other replies in this thread are implicit endorsements of your opinion.

    I don't know why Jeszik hasn't reacted to your (or any other) reply, but I assume he will - like most Loungers, he generally acknowledges replies to his questions. But of course, other things may have interfered, or he simply forgot about it.

    (There are some Loungers who only ask questions without ever taking the trouble to let us know wether the replies were helpful; but fortunately that is rare).

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    Re: Create archives from the recycle bin?

    Hi Argus

    I don't believe that you have upset anybody in this thread, myself included. Indeed, I heartily agree with your original comment:
    "To me this seems like an education issue: do not use the recycle bin for storage. If such is needed on the desktop, add a folder on the desktop."
    with my comment "trash cans are for trash".

    I think people were actually talking cross-topics here - the trashcan and backups - without actual contradiction, although it might read that way if one doesn't separate the two. Still, this interesting (to me) exchange has resulted in me discovering Fundelete <img src=/S/free.gif border=0 alt=free width=30 height=15>ware from Sysinternals - 849KB

    Although NT 4.0 provides a Recycle Bin, it is of very limited use. Only files deleted from the Explorer GUI end up being placed there. Any files zapped from a command window or from within a program are lost forever. Fundelete is a utility that replaces NT 4.0's Recycle Bin to provide full protection of files deleted from anywhere. Fundelete includes the same configurability as Recycle Bin's Properties dialog, including which drives should have protection enabled, and how large the Fundelete Bin should be allowed to grow. Fundelete also provides a filtering dialog that allows you to prevent files of specific extensions not to be sent to the Bin, such as editor backup files, and temporary files. You can also specify directories that will be excluded from protection.

    Note that Fundelete does not enable you to recover files that were deleted before Fundelete was installed. To recover valuable files that may have already been deleted, try FileRestore from Winternals Software.

    not what the <img src=/S/doctor.gif border=0 alt=doctor width=25 height=33> ordered, but maybe useful to some

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    Re: Create archives from the recycle bin?

    <hr>Only files deleted from the Explorer GUI end up being placed there. Any files zapped from a command window or from within a program are lost forever. Fundelete is a utility that replaces NT 4.0's Recycle Bin to provide full protection of files deleted from anywhere.<hr>
    Cool! I wonder if it will work in our Windows 2000 Server machine (files / folders deleted remotely are gone forever, even when using the Explorer GUI -- it would be nice they were sent to the recycle bin).
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    Re: Create archives from the recycle bin?

    From Fundelete's help:<blockquote><hr>If you run Fundelete on a server with client-mounted network shares, the files deleted from the network are not protected by Fundelete
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