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    Non-Working PCI-e Video

    Making my first attempt at putting together a PC with a PCI-E video card. It's going into an ASUS mobo which has no onboard video. Card is a GeFORCE 7600 GT, twin DVI outputs. When I power the PC up, a few seconds go by, then I get one long beep and two short ones. I looked up a list of AMI, Award and Phoenix beep codes, and the only one which matches is an Award which stands for "Video Adapter Failure." No picture at all, of course, on the monitor.

    Card doesn't have an external power connector, and it's in the right PCI-E slot on the mobo, according to the Asus manual (mobo has two, for doing SLI with two cards). I know that I could have a "dead out of the box" card, but what else might be wrong?

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    Re: Non-Working PCI-e Video

    You do not mention which ASUS MB or BIOS you have, but based on the Beep Code you are having, this does suggest Award.

    The problem with this beep code is that it could be: Video Card, Video Memory, Video BIOS OR Actual MB problem. The "Easiest" way to rule out MB and/or identify the Video card is to install another Video Card in place.

    Before I did that though, can you check BIOS to ensure the PCI-E is being "Seen" and selected as a primary video source. Some ASUS MB have PCI-E and PCI slots, which mean it can select Video cards from either type of slot.

    BTB-Also check the voltage settings on the card and BIOS to make sure they match !
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    Re: Non-Working PCI-e Video

    John,

    As an aside, you may want to check ASUS.Com Website for your MB to see if they have any suggestions. The ASUS Support Page or ASUS Product Forum might be able to help.

    NOTE:All ASUS Website references are for USA. You can select other countries by going to http://www.ASUS.Com
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    Re: Non-Working PCI-e Video

    Scott,

    >> You do not mention which ASUS MB or BIOS you have, but based on the Beep Code you are having, this does suggest Award. <<

    The mobo is an ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe. Can't find anything in the documentation or on the ASUS website to tell me what the BIOS is.

    >> The problem with this beep code is that it could be: Video Card, Video Memory, Video BIOS OR Actual MB problem. The "Easiest" way to rule out MB and/or identify the Video card is to install another Video Card in place. <<

    I take it you mean another PCI-E card? Don't have one, but the shop I use has a "low-end" card for $49.

    >>Before I did that though, can you check BIOS to ensure the PCI-E is being "Seen" and selected as a primary video source. Some ASUS MB have PCI-E and PCI slots, which mean it can select Video cards from either type of slot. <<

    Can't get into the BIOS to check anything. The mobo manual says "At power on, hold down the <Delete> key to enter the BIOS setup," but that doesn't work.

    >> BTB-Also check the voltage settings on the card and BIOS to make sure they match ! <<

    Not a shred of information in the card's installation guide about voltage requirements. And would voltages for a mobo slot really be user-adjustable? Seems like a prescription for disaster.

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    Re: Non-Working PCI-e Video

    Scott,

    >> As an aside, you may want to check ASUS.Com Website for your MB to see if they have any suggestions. The ASUS Support Page or ASUS Product Forum might be able to help. <<

    I've already done that, haven't found anything that applies. Will post on the forum if I can't figure this out soon.

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    Re: Non-Working PCI-e Video

    <hr>The mobo is an ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe. Can't find anything in the documentation or on the ASUS website to tell me what the BIOS is.<hr>
    BIOS information is provided in upper left corner of machine as it boots (providing version number as well)- providing your machine boots (which is your problem).

    ASUS uses different BIOS Manufacturers to specialize the BIOS to their MB. The BIOS Company usually displays there logo upon bootup.

    <hr>I take it you mean another PCI-E card? Don't have one, but the shop I use has a "low-end" card for $49.<hr>
    Yes this is what I meant BUT, (as with A8N-SLI Deluxe) the MB has PCI Slots where standard PCI video cards can also be used. You can not mix and match and you would need to enter the BIOS to ensure which type of slot is attempting to use the video.

    Of course this is a problem since you can not enter the BIOS (which could be a seperate problem). However, the beep code could be an indication of a MB problem or it could be that the MB can not find the video card because the BIOS is setup to look for it in the PCI slot NOT the PCI-E slot.

    Since you are having a video problem, I do not know if you would even realize you were in BIOS if the key combination worked. NOTE:Sometimes when they say press and hold, I press and release several times to get into BIOS. Again, since you are having video problems, this may not help.

    <hr>>> BTB-Also check the voltage settings on the card and BIOS to make sure they match ! <<

    Not a shred of information in the card's installation guide about voltage requirements. And would voltages for a mobo slot really be user-adjustable? Seems like a prescription for disaster.<hr>

    Simple answer - yes it is a prescription for disaster - but gamers push the bounderies of the hardware all the time. ASUS (I'm not sure A8N MB Series qualifies) have BIOS adjustments for varying the voltages on the several devices - including CPU and Video cards.

    I am doing a little more research since I have the MB type - will let you know.
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    Re: Non-Working PCI-e Video

    I downloaded the A8N-SLI Deluxe MB manual and I am looking at the forum for same.

    Some questions poped out based on both - please do not take offense if these seem common sense itmes, just going based on what I have seen so far.

    o Ensure the 4 pin Molex connector is connected on MB (I would actaully try re-setting all cards, memory and power connections to be safe).
    o From Manual -
    Single Card mode supports (default):
    - 1 x any PCI Express x16 graphics card on the first slot (blue)
    - 1 x PCI Express X1 card on the second slot (black)
    o Make sure video card is in the correct slot.
    o Based on manual, video PCI Express slots are not adjustable by voltage, but by frequency.
    o BIOS is Phoenix-Award.
    o Pending on devices and video card (yours is a higher end card) Power Supply should be at lease 400-500 Watts
    o Sometimes a no video and invalid POST can be cleared by re-setting CMOS Memory.

    Having posted all of that, my recommendation would be the following:
    o Since you are responding to these posts, you have internet access. Download the AbN-SLI Delxe MB Manual from ASUS.
    o Check out Chapter 6 "This chapter tells how to install SLI-Ready PCI Express graphics cards"
    o Re-seat all power connections as well as Video Card and Memory.
    o Try re-booting.
    o If that does not work, try re-setting the CMOS Memory (procedure in MB Manual).
    o If this does not work, see if you can borrow or purchase a CHEAP PCI graphics card and replace the PCI Express Video card with it.

    If none of this works - you can <img src=/S/bash.gif border=0 alt=bash width=35 height=39> me.
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    Re: Non-Working PCI-e Video

    Scott,

    >> o Ensure the 4 pin Molex connector is connected on MB (I would actaully try re-setting all cards, memory and power connections to be safe). <<

    Done, no change. And you do mean the ATX +12V power plug when you say "Molex connector," right?

    >> o From Manual -
    Single Card mode supports (default):
    - 1 x any PCI Express x16 graphics card on the first slot (blue)
    - 1 x PCI Express X1 card on the second slot (black)
    o Make sure video card is in the correct slot. <<

    Yep.

    >> o Based on manual, video PCI Express slots are not adjustable by voltage, but by frequency.
    o BIOS is Phoenix-Award.
    o Pending on devices and video card (yours is a higher end card) Power Supply should be at lease 400-500 Watts <<

    PSU is 500 watts Dynex (new).

    >> o If that does not work, try re-setting the CMOS Memory (procedure in MB Manual). <<

    I'll try that next, if you don't see anything wrong with what I did below.

    >> o If this does not work, see if you can borrow or purchase a CHEAP PCI graphics card and replace the PCI Express Video card with it. <<

    Going through my spares bin, I found an S3 PCI card. It has a 26-pin connector on one edge. Is that for some kind of "daughter card"? If so, it should work by itself, right? I installed it, but got no change in the boot failure (same beep pattern, no picture). Can't figure out how to release the latch on the PCI-E card, but if the mobo is set for a PCI card, should it matter that the PCI-E card is still installed? I checked it, and it is definitely in the slot properly. If you think it needs to come out, and/or the S3 Virge won't work, I'll haul the PC to my favorite shop and have them show me how to release the latch AND buy a new PCI card.

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    Re: Non-Working PCI-e Video

    Scott,

    >> o Re-seat all power connections as well as Video Card and Memory. <<

    After I answered your last post, I decided to try just 1 memory module, instead of 2. And lo and behold, the PC booted! Running off the S3 card, I got into the BIOS, set the mobo to prefer the PCI-E slot, and now I've got display on the new video card! Getting some warnings from an ASUS utility about some voltages being out of whack, so I guess the new PSU may be having problems.[img]/forums/images/smilies/sad.gif[/img] But at least I'm making progress. Thanks for all your help.

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    Re: Non-Working PCI-e Video

    Congratulations on getting up and running (in a manner of speaking). <img src=/S/bravo.gif border=0 alt=bravo width=16 height=30> <img src=/S/clapping.gif border=0 alt=clapping width=19 height=23>

    I'm not sure what you meant by the voltages are out of whack. Is the utility monitoring the actual PSU voltages or the voltages to the CPU, Fan, etc. If the utility is monitoring the CPU, Fan, etc, BIOS can adjust the voltages for those components.

    If you plan to do this more often, you may want to think of getting a POST Diagnostic Card. Google Search is here and eBay search is here. Prices vary but I have picked up several over the years online ranging from $25 to ~$100. There are more expensive ones, but you need to have that special nitche to justify the expense.

    Good luck on the rest of your system setup <img src=/S/thumbup.gif border=0 alt=thumbup width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Non-Working PCI-e Video

    Scott,

    >> I'm not sure what you meant by the voltages are out of whack. Is the utility monitoring the actual PSU voltages or the voltages to the CPU, Fan, etc. If the utility is monitoring the CPU, Fan, etc, BIOS can adjust the voltages for those components. <<

    The Dynex PSU doesn't have the lead for monitoring, so the voltages must be what is being delivered to the components. The numbers reported by the ASUS utility were 16.32V (instead of 12V), 6.85V (instead of 5V) and 4.08V (instead of 3.3V). I doubt if the BIOS can adjust those enough <grin>. I bought an ANTEC SmartPower 2.0 PSU while I was at the shop. The guy at the shop has the same mobo in his personal PC, and he said many of the problems I was seeing may be due to the "way off" voltages. The leads on the two chassis fans had been modified to attach to a Molex connectors, instead of the pins on the mobo, so I bought replacements for them, too.

    >> If you plan to do this more often, you may want to think of getting a POST Diagnostic Card. Google Search is here and eBay search is here. Prices vary but I have picked up several over the years online ranging from $25 to ~$100. There are more expensive ones, but you need to have that special nitche to justify the expense. <<

    This is the most "exotic" PC I've ever worked on, and I'm just about out of patience with it <grin>, so I doubt I'll ever plunk for a real expensive POST diag card. But I'll definitely get some new test equipment before I take on this kind of job again.

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    Re: Non-Working PCI-e Video

    <hr>I doubt I'll ever plunk for a real expensive POST diag card. But I'll definitely get some new test equipment before I take on this kind of job again.<hr>
    <img src=/S/rofl.gif border=0 alt=rofl width=15 height=15> --> I said something similar over 25 years ago (then I was making a micro-computer - could not afford almost $10,000 for an IBM PC System which JUST came out).

    As frustrating as putting the system together for the first time is, you really feel great when you get it done and purring. I have a friend who took 7 years before "Upgrading" from a C64 to a Windows PC (mainly because of work and my refusal to tinker, review, fix or even LOOK at another C64 system). Within 3 years he was upgrading, building and trouble shooting PC's for his Family and Friends.

    Sounds like you have a handle on getting your system going. Good luck and I hope you get everything out of it you wanted.
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    Re: Non-Working PCI-e Video

    Scott,

    >> Sounds like you have a handle on getting your system going. Good luck and I hope you get everything out of it you wanted. <<

    What I WANT is to get this thing done and out of my sight <grin>. It belongs to the son of a friend, not me. Used Western Digital's Data Lifeguard Tools to copy the contents of the old EIDE drive to the new SATA drive, but having trouble getting the SATA drive to be the boot drive. If I unplug the EIDE drive, I get "Error loading OS" on the next boot, and the BIOS doesn't seem to have a way to designate the SATA drive as the boot drive, while leaving the EIDE drive connected (like the ASUS mobo I installed a couple months ago does).

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    Re: Non-Working PCI-e Video

    First thouught off the top of my head - sounds like the SATA drive was not properly formated for a boot disk.

    What is the OS you are trying to install ?

    I presume the BIOS has been set enable the SATA controller so a SATA Drive can be found. So, if the EIDE Drive is disconnected and SATA is being found, then BIOS is not recognizing the OS transfer.
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    Re: Non-Working PCI-e Video

    Scott,

    >> First thouught off the top of my head - sounds like the SATA drive was not properly formated for a boot disk. <<

    The Western Digital Data Lifeguard Tools program was supposed to do that, before it copied the contents of the EIDE drive to the SATA drive.

    >> What is the OS you are trying to install ? <<

    Windows XP Home

    >> I presume the BIOS has been set enable the SATA controller so a SATA Drive can be found. So, if the EIDE Drive is disconnected and SATA is being found, then BIOS is not recognizing the OS transfer. <<

    The BIOS is finding the SATA drive. In the back of my mind I'm trying to remember some procedure involving making a System Disk on a floppy, then copying the system files from the floppy to the SATA drive. Does that ring a bell with you?

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