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    Non-Profit Accounting

    Not looking to spend "major money" on it, is there decent non-profit and/or fund accounting package out there?

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    Re: Non-Profit Accounting

    I am presuming you want an accounting package specific to the US? Accounting practices differ from country to country. What useful hits did you get from Google?

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    Re: Non-Profit Accounting

    John:

    Yes. I'm sorry, I forgot that part... and California centered is necessary.

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    Re: Non-Profit Accounting

    <IMG SRC=http://www.wopr.com/w3tfiles/48-520387-google.gif> Sorry Chuck, after John's comment, I couldn't resist! <img src=/S/evilgrin.gif border=0 alt=evilgrin width=15 height=15>


    I would also check these guys out: SCORE "Counselors to America's Small Business". Around these parts, they are VERY helpful on a wide range of topics. I know you said non-profit, but someone at SCORE may still have some advice you could use.

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    Re: Non-Profit Accounting

    You aren't likely to find a freebie that does real Fund Accounting for not-for-profits and follows FASB 116 & 117 requirements:

    http://www.fasb.org/st/summary/stsum117.shtml
    http://www.1800net.com/nprc/fasb117.html
    http://www.paperglyphs.com/nporegula...ccounting.html
    http://www.microsoft.com/dynamics/industry...management.mspx
    http://www.drfrey.com/fundacct.html

    Here is one list of NFP accounting resources:

    http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Account...Not_for_Profit/

    Also (from memory, please research for yourself), if the NFP has less than $2,500 in revenues a year the IRS does not require an NFP to file, but above that there are IRS filing requirements, which implies record-keeping requirements.

    If the NFP is small and has no brick-&-mortar assets or endowments, I'd be inclined just to get a cash ledger accounting structure system and forget the fund accounting. Otherwise you'll need to get a serious pakage. A cash ledger can easily be maintained in Excel, or SourceForge has several packages, mostly net-based systems. It is odd that the isn't an open-source equivalent to Quicken or Money; perhaps there is and I didn't find it. (After all, there are $20 Palm OS packages that integrate with Quicken.)

    Chuck, I know some of this info. because I kept a cash ledger system for a very small NFP for a few years. But all the resources listed above came from Googling.
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    Re: Non-Profit Accounting

    Al:

    Actually Al, this time I *had* done that.

    The real problem with that is of the half dozen or so apps that look possible, most are very expensive, or they are very unclear as to exactly what all the "offer".

    As I have come across a couple I try to follow up to find info, sometimes worthwhile, sometimes....

    As a for instance: Microsoft's Small Business Accounting is $80, but they aren't too clear on how and if they adequately handle non-profits; Quickbooks has an add-on, but it's $300.

    I ain't GM, dontcha know?

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    Re: Non-Profit Accounting

    Al:

    THAT'S a great idea.

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    Re: Non-Profit Accounting

    John:

    Thanks. It's been a while... Geez, the last time I had to review FASB's they were on 87 or some such...

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    Re: Non-Profit Accounting

    They are up to #158.
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    Re: Non-Profit Accounting

    Crikey!

    And they've go a who bunch to address now with the pension "walk-aways", the flimsy reporting that has caused so much trouble... problem is, a lot of the problems stem from *very poor* auditing practices that are allowed to prevail, and I don't see that changing too soon.

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    Re: Non-Profit Accounting

    Perhaps have a squiz at <A target="_blank" HREF="http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2006/oct06/10-29Accounting.mspx">Q&A: Microsoft Office Accounting Express 2007 and Office Accounting Professional 2007 Build

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    Re: Non-Profit Accounting

    Thanks Alan.

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    Re: Non-Profit Accounting

    Thanks John. I didn't peruse the details, and have no clues about NFPs in the US (or accounting in general <img src=/S/nope.gif border=0 alt=nope width=15 height=15>) so I made the reference sufficiently vague. <img src=/S/whisper.gif border=0 alt=whisper width=29 height=17>Maybe my strength lies in politics <img src=/S/evilgrin.gif border=0 alt=evilgrin width=15 height=15>

    Nonetheless, I have used my acute <img src=/S/free.gif border=0 alt=free width=30 height=15>hound nose <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15> in the past, to sniff out <img src=/S/free.gif border=0 alt=free width=30 height=15> accounting possibilities for bean counters. Here's some links to what I've uncovered:

    Easy to use free accounting software from Microsoft
    osFinancials - Home
    Bizacct Home
    SADHANASOFT
    TurboCASH Free Open Source Accounting Software UK
    accounting software, Inventory Management, Barcoding and Developer Tools for Microsoft Access

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    Re: Non-Profit Accounting

    EXCELLENT find, Alan. <img src=/S/thumbup.gif border=0 alt=thumbup width=15 height=15> Here's the D/L location: http://www.ideawins.com/, be warned that it's a 210 MB file. If I can find time I want to play with it - could it be MS is looking for a QuickBooks killer?

    However, Chuck's original note was for a not-for-profit package, and in the US NFP's have strict requirements regarding accounting for funds, especially endowments, restricted (use) funds, building funds, etc.; it doesn't look as if this MS freebie will do that stuff.

    Edit: the program requires online activation and registration, the "product key" is supplied with the download for the free "Express" version. And it has an option to import QuickBooks data, so MS probably is looking to make inroads into QuickBooks' dominance. A bit long and late in coming.
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    Re: Non-Profit Accounting

    My tax man just attended a MS get together on this same product. You hit the nail right on the head, MS is moving on the Accounting world with this product. The tax man is going to this and he has been using QuickBooks for a long time.

    Well if I remember right, at one time MS was trying to buy Intuit, by the government put a stop to it. So MS has been working on the "Money" and have come up with a professional product.

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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