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    Ubuntu on MS VM

    Anybody try to run Ubuntu as a VM (Microsoft Virtual PC)?

    'Cause I can't seem to get it installed. I keep getting video "errors" where it says my video is too large for the screen and it's going to put it in "windowed mode", but when it does that the screen is all screwed up -- obviously not right...

    What the heck can I do about this?

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    Re: Ubuntu on MS VM

    Chuck

    I have been pondering over this conundrum over the weekend and I have theory. VPC 2004, by its very design is a microsoft product and will therefore "mesh"with the main PC microsoft operating system.

    The software works by creating a VPC layer over the existing OS. It the microsoft VPC requires drivers it runs to Mama and feeds from the installed Microsoft drivers from the host OS. Here is the rub, ubuntu will have list of drivers in its own installation and will compare the files it has and fits it to the current system.

    I reckon you have a conflict between the main host operating system and your linux, Microsoft wins, as it is host and you won't have a clean install of ubuntu. It seems to me that this is really ironic, we step over to open source but then are controlled by the monopoly.

    Personally I would go for the clean break and get away from VPC with your ubuntu and go for a clean install on a fresh PC if you have one <img src=/S/yep.gif border=0 alt=yep width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Ubuntu on MS VM

    Jerry:

    Although I totally agree that MS ain't gonna make it easy, it can be done.

    I got 6.06 to run (and does)... I'm just not totally sure how...

    And when you install on VMware, it's a great deal easier...

    But in all this solving, I've come upon an (old friend) issue:

    When I first tried VMware, I had a heck of a time adding the "utilities" (they have another name, but I don't readily recall it), and until I resolved it, the mouse, video, and all were really not working correctly. Once I got it right, all that fell together as well.

    Now I've got the same issue with MS VPC, because it wants me to install the "Virtual machine additions", and I can't seem to get that done.

    The message box says that if the vma won't install, then open the CD drive inside the vm and re-run setup.

    But since my issue is in video, I can't see screen instructions, and, since I'm unfamiliar with what the heck I'm doing to start with, I don't know how or what they mean when they say to open the CD within the VM and run setup.

    Got any help for a poor soul?

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    Re: Ubuntu on MS VM

    >I don't know how or what they mean when they say to open the CD within the VM and run setup

    Exactly what it says on the tin....open up the VPC window place the CD in the drive and run the set up for ubuntu, this will pick up the drivers. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

    Now let us get this correct and deal with your current problem as it is beginning to get confusing. Is the current problem involving Virtual PC 2004, if so let us stick with that and not go back to VMWare as they are completely different animals <img src=/S/yep.gif border=0 alt=yep width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Ubuntu on MS VM

    Jerry:

    It's VPC 2007... tried 2004, but went through the same issues, so...

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    Exactly what it says on the tin....open up the VPC window place the CD in the drive and run the set up for ubuntu, this will pick up the drivers.
    <<

    Well, I've done this now at lest five times, using every conceivable screen resolution, including letting the guest os control it, and then I get the box as shown, and then I (as instructed) insert the cd and close the door and ... (wait until I then hit 'Enter')... after hittiing 'Enter', it re-installs again, I think, except that the screen is nothing but patterns of dots, so I'm not at all sure, and then everything comes to a stop, with the dots still there...

    And of course, this whole process is a good deal like re-installing each time..., but then I wouldn't know, since I can't read the screen...

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    Re: Ubuntu on MS VM

    Maybe what I ought to do here is obtain a good boot manager, and set up Linux (some version) on a separate partition and do a multi-boot, instead of trying to run it through a VM.

    Whatcha think?

    ??

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    Re: Ubuntu on MS VM

    You've got a great boot loader shipped within Ubuntu 6.06 LTS - It's the GRUB or GRand Unified Bootloader.

    Upon setup of the Ubuntu system, it will detect, and setup both your new Ubuntu installation, and your existing Windows installation. Note, each additional OS installation will not be found automatically (at least not in my experience yet), and you would need to research the steps to do so.

    GRUB, or Lilo (the Linux Loader, the older, more mature bootloader for Linux), will overwrite your master boot record - if you need to repair the MBR, you'll need to use your Windows 2000/XP CD, or a Windows98 boot floppy, with the format /mbr command available.
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    Re: Ubuntu on MS VM

    Jerry:

    Jerry:

    Know what it was/is? Ubuntu 6.1.

    I read this evening that a LOT of people had had issues with the 6.1 installation... so I went back to the 6.06, and it went like clockwork.

    Now I've got a VM of Ubuntu and Kubuntu...

    You had said you were going to try FF v2 on Xubuntu... I ain't got that far yet... BTW, what's the diff with Xubuntu as opposed to the others?

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    Re: Ubuntu on MS VM

    Chris:

    All I gotta do is make a separate partition for the Ubuntu, install it, and the loader will set itself up?

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    Re: Ubuntu on MS VM

    Hi Chuck,

    You'll need to partition your HD (or have a separate, dedicated HD) for at minimum, two (2) partitions:

    <LI>swap (1.5 X RAM in size)
    <LI>/ (called root)

    Additionally, you may wish to consider a separate partition (or disk) for your documents, and configuration files. This would be the /home directory (very much like Microsoft's My Documents folder. Other directories are suggested to be separated such as the /boot, /tmp, and /var, but they certainly aren't required for a first time user.

    For example, my disk is setup as follows on my Ubuntu only notebook:

    <LI>/boot (200 MB)
    <LI>swap (1.5 GB)
    <LI>/ (root, 15 GB]
    <LI>/home (60 GB)

    I've separated the /boot directory so that I can control more directly, the setup of the GRUB bootloader, in case I decide to add an external HD, and use more than the one Linux distribution.

    In a response to Jezza, you asked about the difference between Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu. The windowing system used in each is the major difference. Ubuntu uses Gnome, Kubuntu uses KDE, and Xubuntu uses Xfce. Gnome and KDE are memory and resource heavy GUI's, where Xfce isn't. KDE is very similar to a MS Windows (98,ME) GUI.

    Have fun with the Ubuntu distros .... they'll be fun!
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    Re: Ubuntu on MS VM

    Chris:

    >>
    You'll need to partition your HD (or have a separate, dedicated HD) for at minimum, two (2) partitions:

    # swap (1.5 X RAM in size)
    # / (called root)
    <<

    So, in fact, I'll want three partitions? For a *total* of at least 2 gigs? And I set up the partitions in front, and then, during install, Ubuntu will find them? Including the separate one for "My Docs"?

    Ubuntu is interesting... especially the having different "flavors". I haven't quite understood what Xubuntu is... "streamlined" version perhaps?

    But the journey's surely interesting.

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    Re: Ubuntu on MS VM

    Chuck,

    You'll want a minimum of 2 partitions.

    <LI>swap - being 1.5 x (or 1 and a half times) the size of your RAM
    <LI>/ (root) - being large enough for the standard installation of software with the Ubuntu distribution (currently 3 GB)

    The /home directory could be setup as a separate partition. Mine is setup separately, so that I may re-install the OS without touching my data - just in case of problems.

    The partitions can be setup during the Ubuntu install, via the installation tool provided.

    Xubuntu is basically the streamlined version - designed mainly for the older PC hardware. It does however, run quite well on newer PCs.
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    Re: Ubuntu on MS VM

    Chris:

    I seem to recall some hanky panky with partitions set up by Win2K when you tried working with them in FDisk.

    Will partitions set up during the Ubuntu install mess with any others already present? And can they all see each other?

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    Re: Ubuntu on MS VM

    Chuck,

    As with all suggestions dealing with the modification of how a PC operates, backup your data (and configurations) first.

    Modifying the partition data on any harddrive, whether it's with MS-DOS FDISK, linux's fdisk, or another such program, you risk the chance of losing your data. It is always best to defragment your disk before doing such an operation.

    The file system(s) you choose may or may not be readable across Operating Systems, with or without extra software setup. For example, FAT32 file systems (Windows pre NT/2000/XP), are readable via the linux-kernel. The ext2 or ext3 file system that Ubuntu defaults to, is not readable by Windows, without extra software installation in Windows.

    If you have free space on your HD already, you should not have any problems with the other partitions.

    It's in your best interest I think, to post any of your more detailed questions to a Linux oriented forum, such as LinuxQuestions.org. You'll get more eyes looking at your questions, and more suggestions how to resolve them.
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    Re: Ubuntu on MS VM

    Chris:

    Thanks for all your help...

    Regards,
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