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    need to create .cil files (PC Powerpoint 98)

    <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by Judith Tacelli on 17-Jul-01 16:22.</FONT></P>Hi,

    I'm a freelance art director working on a Microsoft PowerPoint 98 project for a client. The slide show is about 110 slides, each with placed graphics. This show needs to be able to run on PC machines running Windows 2000 with only 64 megs of memory.

    I am finding that placed .emf vector files (even though they are very small in size (12 k) don't run on the 64 meg machines (out of memory issues). But with placed .cil (Clip Interchange Library) files the show runs fine.

    My questions:

    Is a .cil file a vector file?

    What program is used to create .cil files?

    Can .eps or .emf files be converted to .cil files?

    Why do .cil files seem to take less memory to display than .emf files?

    I would like to be able to convert all of the graph work I've done for my client as .emf files to .cil files so that they can use these vector graphics in the presentation.

    Thanks in advance for any advice/help.

    jt

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    Re: need to create .cil files (PC Powerpoint 98)

    Judith, here's the little I know about cil files:
    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://support.microsoft.com/support/PowerPoint/ClipGallery/ClipGal.asp?LN=EN-US&SD=gn&FR=0>MS Clip Gallery</A>
    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q160/4/75.asp>Q160475</A>, loading CIL files from the Web into PP97
    However these really don't answer your questions, but maybe they'll help others to find answers. Sorry. --Sam
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    Re: need to create .cil files (PC Powerpoint 98)

    If I read Sam's references correctly, .cil files are brought in by reference into the document. Which would explain why file sizes are so small. <img src=/S/hmmn.gif border=0 alt=hmmn width=15 height=15> That answer doesn't totally satisfy me.
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    Re: need to create .cil files (PC Powerpoint 98)

    Good Day!

    Honestly, I havn't heard of .cil files... I don't believe it is a common format, and if it is, it's likely a microsoft specific format, and not widely available to the public. (This reasoning is spawned from at least 20 minutes of web-search, to no avail.)

    While your users may have difficulty with .emf files, do they experience the same isseus with .wmf? The types are essentially the same, however in some cases, your users may not be 'emf compatible' You may find more information on this <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.companionsoftware.com/PR/WMRC/WindowsMetafileFaq.html#ConvertingBetweenFormats>h ere.</A>

    You may be better off converting your vector image into a more common format where applicable. This will not only be easily used by all of your users, but won't kill thier systems in the process...

    I hope this information helps, if there's anything else, please feel free to let me know!

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    Re: need to create .cil files (PC Powerpoint 98)

    I too never heard of a 'CIL' file. I went to: http://extsearch.com/ and did a search and of 1800+ extensions 'CIL' doesn't list.

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    Re: need to create .cil files (PC Powerpoint 98)

    Hi Judith"

    I spent some time researching this topic without any real success.

    So far what I have determined is that:

    1)The CIL format is proprietary for Microsofts ClipArt Gallery.

    2)The CIL format is being replaced by a MPF format for Office XP

    3)The CIL/MPF formats appear to be intermediate container formats. They are used to deliver the content of a clip. The properties of the clip are stored in the ArtGal50.MMC (For CAG 5.0 with Office 2K). One of the properties is a thumbnail of the file. The actual content is pointed to and must be stored on media accessable to the presentation. eg. The CIL may contain a WMF graphic which is extracted to the hard drive. Once the CIL is processed it does not appear to be used again.

    4)Microsoft <A target="_blank" HREF=http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q161/7/18.ASP>KB Q161718</A> describes how to create a personal Clip Art Gallery. I could not find an article on creating a CIL.

    5)The actual graphic formats supported are to some extent independent of the CIL. e.g. animated GIFs are supported, but, in the latest releases of CAG they must be placed in a Motion category instead a Picture category.

    6)MMC files appear to be nestable, eg. Publisher Standard.MMC.

    I also agree with Drk's recommendation to consider using WMF instead of EMF files.

    Good luck,

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    Re: need to create .cil files (PC Powerpoint 98)

    I have confirmed that CIL(Clip Interchange Library) and MPF(Media Package File) files are both download package (ie. container) files. MPF is used with Office XP, CIL is used with earlier versions of Office or Office 2001 for Macintosh.

    I have still not been able to locate a CIL authoring tool, but, I believe this is a red herring. The cil files you used for testing probably contained WMF graphics.

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    Re: need to create .cil files (PC Powerpoint 98)

    Dumb question. When you import a piece of clip art and ungroup it, you get a message about converting it to a MSOffice object. Could it be as simple as ungrouping and regrouping? At that point it's a collection of objects on the screen.

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    Re: need to create .cil files (PC Powerpoint 98)

    Thanks very much guys,

    I'm going to try converting all the .emf files to .wmf files, place them in the original .ppt file and see if the new .ppt file will run on a 64 meg machine.

    I'll post and let you know if it works!

    Thanks again,

    jt

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    Re: need to create .cil files (PC Powerpoint 98)

    My client finally tried the 107 slide .ppt test with placed .wmf files instead of .emf files on a 64 meg Windows2000, Office2000 machine.

    The slide show progressed further than the one with placed .emf files but they still had out of memory issues by slide 55 or so.

    Because my client wants the ablity to scale the illustrations at will and have the presentation print crisply for handout purposes, our workaround solution will be to create the master slide presenation with .emf files and then export each slide as a .tif file and reassemble the slide presention with the .tif files for use on the underpowered machines.

    Not a great solution (it took me about an hour to do this process) but at least we have a solution.

    Thanks so much to everyone who responded to my query.

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