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    VS upgrade (2003/ 2005)

    Having just gotted my feet wetted with VS2003, I'm now being offered 2005 by the university I do some work for. Is the upgrade significant? Is it worth doing? I'm no way entrenched into .NET yet, so I was thinking "better now than later".

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    Re: VS upgrade (2003/ 2005)

    Unlike some other upgrades, this is not a simple migration to a new version. Visual Studio 2003 is connected with the 1.x Framework while 2005 uses the 2.0 framework. If the software you're developing can use 2.0, then it's definitely worth the move. Otherwise, if you need to continue development or maintain any 1.x applications, you'll need to at least have a copy of 2003 available.

    I happen to have both 2003 and 2005 on my laptop and they live together quite harmoniously without any special tweaking. Microsoft even include to tool to recognize the version of the Solution (*.sln) or Project (*.*proj) file so that it opens with the appropriate version of Visual Studio when double-clicked.

    When I first installed 2005, I read about a way that you could supposedly compile code in 2005 with the 1.1 framework. But after I learned (the hard way) that I still needed 2003 for this, I didn't look any further for this. But it may be available now.

    You'll really enjoy the enhancements to the 2005 user interface. It's VERY slick and the intellisense is amazing!

    Bottom line - go for 2005, but don't abandon 2003 for any ongoing 1.x projects.

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    Re: VS upgrade (2003/ 2005)

    Thanks Mark. I will go for your "bottom line", since my .NET experience thus far has been limited to learning/ messing about (no serious or distributed projects). I guess that the currrent protocol is to "expect" client systems to be uptodate with the appropiate .NET framework support required by a 2005 build? And considering I have no projects here requiring 2003/ 1.x .NET Framework, is it worth keeping 2003 installed at all?

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    Re: VS upgrade (2003/ 2005)

    A couple of additional thoughts...

    If you do not have any software written on the .NET 1.1 framework to support, then there's no reason to keep VS 2003 around.

    Also, when deploying any .NET 2.0 Windows-based applications you can easily package the .NET framework redistributables in the installer. It's very easy to deploy (much easier than with .NET 1.x). And, of course, for web applications the framework is only needed on the server.

    Sounds like you're in great shape to burn VS 2003 and never look back! :-)

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    Re: VS upgrade (2003/ 2005)

    Definitely go with 2005, Alan. We upgraded to it and migrated our apps, which took a bit of work but we hadn't yet released the beta so we were able to offer the latest and greatest when we did. As Jefferson notes, the intellisense is worlds apart from 2003. It does have some things that require getting used to if you've worked in 2003, but if you're just getting started, they won't bother you. My pet peeve is the on-line help, which I find even less helpful than the 2003 version, but that's merely my opinion (however elevated it may be <img src=/S/evilgrin.gif border=0 alt=evilgrin width=15 height=15>). Just make sure you have a machine with the muscle to cope with 2005 and the Net 2.0 framework. Dual processors are my minimum recommendation, since 2005 is an even bigger resource hog than 2003.

    worth it, though!
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    Re: VS upgrade (2003/ 2005)

    Thanks boss. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15> I'll certainly give it a whirl, even though my box is an archaic single processor job. I guess if it all proves too much for it I can always revert back. I'm astounded with the speed at which it all moves - there seems to be so much on the web geared to 2005, with 2003 fading into the background, the way of VB6. This is a major motivation for me in making the change now.

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    Re: VS upgrade (2003/ 2005)

    Just a note on the speed of the IDE - I run both 2003 and 2005 on my laptop (1.7 Ghz, 1.25 GB) and they both run with very adequate performance (though not simultaneously). I will, however, recommend to anyone with less than a powerhouse box to disable screen animations (Tools | Options - Environment section). That seems to be one of the keys to keeping things moving nicely for me.

    Also, I wouldn't worry about VS2003 fading away as quickly as VB6. The move to .NET was a huge paradigm shift for Microsoft. Now that .NET is being refined with new versions, I don't see the worry that things will change as dramatically (at least not as quickly) as the change from VB6 to .NET. Just my <img src=/S/2cents.gif border=0 alt=2cents width=15 height=15>

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    Re: VS upgrade (2003/ 2005)

    Cheers Mark.

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    Re: VS upgrade (2003/ 2005)

    Just loading the toolbox when you open a form in design view gives you time for a coffee break. I agree with disabling a bunch of stuff, and although I forgot, we use Visual Source Safe, which adds its own slowdowns, so I may have overcautioned Alan.
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    Re: VS upgrade (2003/ 2005)

    >Dual processors are my minimum recommendation, since 2005 is an even bigger resource hog than 2003.

    Having dusted off 2005 after a break, I take it you're saying that a 2.00 GHz P4 machine (w/ 1 Gb RAM) is a bit short in the horsepower dept?
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    Re: VS upgrade (2003/ 2005)

    It was for me, but as I mentioned above, we use VIsual Source Safe, which creates its own delays. The difference for me from old machine to new was something like 10-fold increate in speed.
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    Re: VS upgrade (2003/ 2005)

    VS 2005 is the only application that periodically requires me to reboot - as I start getting "rubbish" after a couple of days of debugging. (I usually use Hibernate between sessions.) As, however, neither the Processing Cycles nor the Memory Use ever show any signs of breaking a sweat, I have been suspecting that's it's more to do with the extended Undo than Hardware. Thoughts?

    VB.2005 also seems to have filled in a fair number of holes that were in the VB.2003 Object Model.
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    Re: VS upgrade (2003/ 2005)

    For me it wasn't CPU or memory that were the problem, it just took forever to do a build. We have a very large WinForms application, though, with an extensive data tier and a lot of customized controls, so your mileage may vary. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

    I haven't had the reboot problem with either version (although I periodically have to restart Visual Studio), but I agree VS 2005 has a much richer object model and the 2.0 framework has all sorts of little goodies that were missing in the prior version.
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