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    Backup and Error Check (Vista Home Premium)

    Hi folks: Just got the new computer with Vista. A couple of questions (we're always more thoughtful and careful when something's new>
    1. With the new Windows Backup (previously awful), can we forego using third party software (like Retrospect), or not? Is the Vista backup any good? I gather I have to do a full system backup though? Right? Does that mean I can still recover just a few files which were backed up? And finally in regard to Backup: is there anythng wrong with just copy and pasting backup files (onto an external hard drive)?

    2. I've heard various things about "Error Checking", anything from doing it automatically weekly (Vista's recommendation), to doing it only when needed, as it can actually damage the HD. What do you think? Should it be done often? Every week, after a defrag?

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    Re: Backup and Error Check (Vista Home Premium)

    1.) I don't think that the Vista Home Premium backup will do an image backup of your system. It will backup the data files you select. If that is OK with you it is probably OK to use. Just realize that if you ever have to start from scratch you'll have to re-install Vista, all your programs, and all the patches to the OS & programs and last restore your data. Most Loungers feel more comfortable with a backup solution that has more opitons and will do an image of the system to an external source - either CD/DVDs, a USB hard drive, or a networked drive. That way if you need to do a bare metal recovery you can do it all at once and not have to spend lots of time re-installing.

    2.) My inclination is to just do it when there is an indication of a problem. Where have you seen that doing "error checking" can damage a HD?

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    Re: Backup and Error Check (Vista Home Premium)

    Thanks Joe: very helpful!. Re 1. The Backup software: I've gotten the idea that a couple of folks on this lounge prefer True Image (which I hadn't heard of) to others. How would you say it compares with Retrospect? (We also have the problem of being sure it's compatible with Vista--my old Retrospect isn't, but there's a 7.5 version which is. If True Image is truly preferable, is IT compatible with Vista?

    Sorry, but I can't say where I read it (only once), but I definitely did...and was fairly shocked. But I gather you're saying that that isn't true, right?

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    Re: Backup and Error Check (Vista Home Premium)

    TrueImage 10 is approved to be used with Vista and works great.

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: Backup and Error Check (Vista Home Premium)

    As DaveA said True Image 10 works well with Vista. I use it at home. I have not looked at Retrospect in a several years so I can't comment on how it compares with anything. I would not install any system maintenance or security software that did specifically say it was OK with Vista. Either it will not install at all, it will not run at all, it will damage your system, or fail when you need it the most.

    As far as "Error Checking" goes I don't think it is any worse than other disk intensive activities such as defragmentation and full malware scans. I certainly could be wrong.

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    Re: Backup and Error Check (Vista Home Premium)

    1) I tried out Vista's Backup utility just to see how it worked and to find out how long it would take to backup data. I backed up an entire partition (20+ gigs) of data and it took nearly 4 hours to complete. To copy or move the same data manually, e.g., copy/paste or cut/paste takes only 20 or 30 minutes; I actually did this too. The backup files are all ".zip" files, obviously used to save space. So, it appears that the native backup utility works fine but is rather slow. I am not sure if you can do a full system backup with the native Backup utility, but I thought that option was available (Ultimate edition). <img src=/S/shrug.gif border=0 alt=shrug width=39 height=15> Personally, I am one of "those" who uses and recommends Acronis True Image. Like Dave_A, I am using True Image 10.4940 on my Vista Ultimate system and on my XP SP-2 system. Aside from a couple of problem areas which have yet to be resolved, e.g., specifically backing up the "outlook.pst" file or backing up directly to DVD media, neither features would I use anyway, the program works flawlessly. I have configured it to run on an automatic schedule, backing up my system weekly to an external HDD (1 Full image followed by 3 Incremental images and then repeating). In short, I rarely have to run the program now that it is totally automated. However, I will manually do a system backup between the scheduled weekly backups if a major addition or change is done to the system. These backup "images" are also accessible should you need to recover a folder or just an individual file. It couldn't be easier. And in case you are wondering, and you should <IMG SRC=http://www.the-highway.com/Smileys/giggle.gif> if I have ever had to restore my system using True Image.... the answer is absolutely; on more than one occasion. True Image has never failed me when it was needed. This is not to say that the application is invincible and will never fail..... no such thing exists among or created by humans. But it is a program I have come to rely on and find it very reliable.

    The best advice, IMHO, is if you are at all interested and/or curious about Acronis True Image Home (or Workstation 9.1), download and install the Trial version and play with it; test it out on your actual machine(s). There is also a Support Forum for the product which is also quite good should you need questions answered or help with a problem.

    2) I only use Error Checking when there is a problem which calls for the use of that utility.

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    Re: Backup and Error Check (Vista Home Premium)

    You can make an image backup with Vista Ultimate. But you can't back it up to a network drive that I could find. <img src=/S/frown.gif border=0 alt=frown width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Backup and Error Check (Vista Home Premium)

    Thank you gentlemen: I've pretty well followed your suggestions: I've ignored Windows Backup and have tried True Image. First time: very smooth total backup. Then I replaced one file: no problem! Will probably keep. And will only run error check when necessary.
    I've encountered another problem, which I'll ask on a new thread.

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