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    Data storage past and present

    <img src=/S/hello.gif border=0 alt=hello width=25 height=29> Loungers

    I am building a PC that will be able to read and possibly write to any data storage device/cartridge/external media ever known, well at least produced for public consumption. Here is a list of devices that I could think of, and you fill in the blanks. Oh these, I hope, are sorted by capacity.

    5.25" Floppy at 1.2mb
    3.5" Floppy at 1.4mb
    Iomega PocketZip, aka Clik! at at 40mb.
    Iomega 100mb Zip disk
    LS-120 SuperDisk at 120mb.
    LS-240 SuperDisk at 240mb.
    Iomega 250mb Zip disk.
    CDs at 640 or 700MB per disk
    Iomega 750mb Zip disk.
    Iomega 1GB Jaz disk.
    SyQuest SparQ 1.0 GB disk
    SyQuest SyJet 2GB disk.
    Iomega 2.0GB Jaz disk.
    Castlewood Orb 2.2 GB disk.
    DVDs at 4.7 GB per disk.
    Castlewood Orb 5.7GB disk.
    Iomega Peerless drives some are 10GB and some are 20GB.

    Then you have the Flash memory components, I have a SanDisk reader for these.

    How about tape backup units? Are there any models that share the same form factor so that one drive can read/write from/to multiple cartridges.

    Mac stuff I guess is similar to the PC stuff, I can't think of any device that would work ONLY on Macs.

    iPods and MP3 players fall into either a harddrive or Flash memory type, so I am not too worried about these at the moment. Plus they are current and readily available.

    Did I miss anything?

    Thanks for any help.

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    Re: Data storage past and present

    IBM 8" floppy
    Shugart 100k Floppy 5 1/4"
    There was also another 5 1/4" floppy that I THINK was 768k?
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    Re: Data storage past and present

    I would like to see it handle an IBM 350 RAMAC disk . "It had fifty 24-inch diameter disks with 100 recording surfaces. Each surface had 100 tracks. The disks spun at 1200 RPM. Data transfer rate was 8,800 characters per second."

    I have one of those disks around here somewhere and would like to know what recorded on it. <img src=/S/please.gif border=0 alt=please width=31 height=23>

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    Re: Data storage past and present

    Don't forget the 5
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    Re: Data storage past and present

    Found on this site:
    Punch Cards
    Punched Tape
    Magnetic Drum 10 KB
    Laser Disc
    DVD Double Layer 8.3 Gb
    DVD-RAM
    HD DVD 15 GB per layer
    Blue Ray Disc 25 GB per layer
    HVD (Holographic Versatile Disc) 3.9 TB (not available to you yet... <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>)

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    Re: Data storage past and present

    I still have a Radio Shack MC-10, works. It stored Programs & Data on a regular cassette tape via a regular cassette player.
    Now this is not a "PC" as such; but would you anticipate binary data from such a serial device?
    (I can probably dig out the manual if required so to do)

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    Re: Data storage past and present

    >> ...read and possibly write to any data storage device/cartridge/external media ever known...

    You'll probably need a scanner/printer combo unit as well then!

    What about hard disks recovered from aged pc's? - or are you including exclusively 'external' storage devices?

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    Re: Data storage past and present

    There were and still are different form factors and types of tape and tape drives used. Too many to list. And definitely to many to try to add to a system.

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    Re: Data storage past and present

    <img src=/S/thankyou.gif border=0 alt=thankyou width=40 height=15> Bob

    But I thought the 8" IBM floppy was a main frame thing. I do have one and I was told it works, but I can not find a case big enough for it to fit in.

    About the Shugart 100K floppy 5 1/4". It is named after Al Shugart the founder of Seagate, the hard drive maker. I thought that it was a special format of the regular 5 1/4" diskettes, vs a specific drive and media type. They also had a 720KB format which the regular drive can read and write to.

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    Re: Data storage past and present

    <img src=/S/thankyou.gif border=0 alt=thankyou width=40 height=15> Paul

    OK this is a PC, a personal computer, and not a whole lab of data storage machines. I wish I could accommodate your request, then you could send me the disk and I'll read it for you and tell you if it has any unknown Beatles MP3 songs on it, <img src=/S/duck.gif border=0 alt=duck width=23 height=23> that you maybe able to sell to Sony and make a pretty penny <img src=/S/money.gif border=0 alt=money width=17 height=15>.

    But thanks for the idea, and the photo, maybe as we finish this project and we have time, space and money left.

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    Re: Data storage past and present

    <img src=/S/thankyou.gif border=0 alt=thankyou width=40 height=15> John

    OK you are right, about the formats, but then a 5.25" drive, a fairly good quality and recent manufactured one, can read all the various formats of the 5.25" diskettes. The form factor is all the same, its just the format that changes. Same goes to the 3.5" disk. I have a DEC RX26-AA 2.88 floppy drive which can read both 1.44 and 2.88 disks.

    CDs and DVDs are fairly easy to come by, they are still current and up-to-date, as compared to a 5.25" disk that is almost unheard of for generations of computer users now. I think the last PC shipped with a 5.25" was at least 20 years ago.

    USBs are also current, and fairly easy to come by.

    As to the interrupts, ultimately this machine will be used to acquire the images of the disks or cartridges that one gets, so not all components will be used at the same time. Some of these devices are IDEs and some are SCSI and others are simply firewire and/or USB. So I will plug these as needed, thus freeing interrupts.

    The bigger problem is finding software and drivers to run these things under Windows XP. For that reason, I am loading Windows 98SE and XP as well as other Linux and Unix flavors. I found a web site that archives drivers, but still they don't have everything.

    OK let me know what you think.

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    Re: Data storage past and present

    <img src=/S/thankyou.gif border=0 alt=thankyou width=40 height=15> Jay

    I liked the web site. I had found some on the Wikipedia site and it had some information, but not all the way back to tape and punch cards. Which is also where I come from. I mean if we had all the unlimited resources, we could build a machine that will be all encompassing, but we stuck to our guns and decided to have devices that were mass produced to the private citizen to use. I know that many corporations had the resources and the need for different machines and data storage needs, but this is for the next phase of this project. We would like to have tape backup included in the first phase, and that would be where we stop.

    Thanks for the reference.

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    Re: Data storage past and present

    <img src=/S/thankyou.gif border=0 alt=thankyou width=40 height=15> Chris

    Wow!!! I used to have a working Sinclair Spectrum PC which now is not working anymore for some reason. It is as old as the Radio Shack MC-10. I think this would have ti fall in the phase two of this project. Not too many people still have working models of these first generation machines.

    Keep it, you will never know when we'll contact you for it.

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    <img src=/S/thankyou.gif border=0 alt=thankyou width=40 height=15> Leif

    Yes we have an assortment of hard drive controllers, from the first days of the PC, to up-to-date stuff. No I am not limited to external storage devices, but the hard drive was the most obvious answer to the question: Where can you store data, and thus the initial PCs we had had all sorts of IDE controllers for drives that are no longer manufactured. So the idea this time is to expand on these PCs, but try to have multi-functionality in what we are building.

    Right now, we have one PC for one controller, and we want to limit that so one machine can do many form factors at once..

    For scanners and printers, well the data is only stored there temorarily until the output is produced. Or am I missing something?

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    <img src=/S/thankyou.gif border=0 alt=thankyou width=40 height=15> Joe

    But this is the precise purpose of this post. It is a request for help listing these devices so that we can figure out which ones we need to add, which ones we can leave for later, a phase two of this project and so on.

    Thanks for your memory and your key storks, now get to it. Please <img src=/S/blush.gif border=0 alt=blush width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/bravo.gif border=0 alt=bravo width=16 height=30>

    I remember Iomega had something called the Bernoulli drive that had cartridges that looked like a super sized 3.5" diskettes and almost the size of a 5.25" diskette, much thicker though.

    Also what about the Sony MiniDisk? Can someone store data on it using any of the Sony Walkman MP3 players? I have two models of the squared Sony Walkman MP3 players. Both can record, but I am not sure which one came first and which one is more a later model. One is the Sony Walkman MZ-NE140 MDLP NetMD and the other is Sony Walkman NetMD MZ-N505 Type-R.

    OK thanks for all, and you to Joe, hope to hear from the rest soon.

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