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    WFP control (XP SP-2)

    Is there any reliable way to switch (on/off) Windows File Protection?

    I've seen "WFP Switcher 1.0", but I saw posts on a couple boards that it won't work with all versions (of XP after updates?).

    Is there any "new info" on this, or any other alternatives?

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    Re: WFP control (XP SP-2)

    Why in the world would you want to? That is asking for big trouble.

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    Re: WFP control (XP SP-2)

    Joe:

    I was waiting for that question.

    I don't want to do that -- ALL the time,

    But there's no question that WFP can be a pain in the butt when you are installing some progs, and, if you use substitutes (I use a sub for notepad and fro the calculator) getting the system to leave those alone -- while WFP is running -- can be a real hassle.

    After all is s et up, you turn it back on. TechNet mag, I think it was them, that actually offered WFP Switcher (v.8) so I can't be the only person silly enough to mess with it.

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    Re: WFP control (XP SP-2)

    I use alternative programs for Notepad and the calculator, too, but I either give them different names or put them in different folders, and I don't think I've ever had WFP try to get in the way.

    <img src=/S/scratch.gif border=0 alt=scratch width=25 height=29> Is there any real advantage to having your "sub" for Notepad (for example) be a file named Notepad.exe in the Windows folder? If you name your sub Notepad2.exe, or put it in a different folder, doesn't that eliminate the conflicts? (And the shortcut you use to run the program can be named "Notepad" even if you've given the .exe file a different name.)

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    Re: WFP control (XP SP-2)

    Steve:

    Once installed the programs run without issue... and that means that other programs that make calls to notepad or use Calc will call (in this case) far more flexible and powerful alternatives.

    I don't "need" to turn off WFP, but it would make life easier...

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    Re: WFP control (XP SP-2)

    I can't see any scenario were I would like to force an installation of a program to a PC, with a possible unstable OS as a result.

    Windows Resource Protection (WRP)/Windows File Protection (WFP) are there for a reason. If I would like to go back to "dll hell" I could start up my 3.11/Win95 PC.

    There is a possibility to disable WFP by setting the value SFCDisable in the registry for them who wants to shoot them self in the foot. But on the other hand, for this value to work you must have a kernel de###### attached to the system via null modem cable. So this is something for developers.

    Sureley it can't be that hard to add programs and use them as substitutes. It's possible to associate file types with programs, one can use TweakUI to customise the Command Keys on the keyboard (when pressing Calculator it starts whatever program) etc.

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    Re: WFP control (XP SP-2)

    Argus:

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    Sureley it can't be that hard to add programs and use them as substitutes.
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    You are in great part correct. For the most part I have been able to do just that. And in great part, I also agree that WFP et al play a big part in MS's crawl toward stability, although I don't yet find the environment that perfect that I'm not open to trying "something new". Office 95 solved most problems for most people, sort of, so why would anyone ever upgrade?

    Admittedly, you (I) sometimes find that something you thought was a good idea ends up being either more bother than it is worth, or, as people on this board can certainly attest to gladly, I have at times found myself in pretty murky waters after "diddling".

    But... at the same time...

    Excluding of course the loss of invaluable resources such as WOPR, when those around get tired of "the issues" and turn the deaf ear, I for one like the tinkering. Now, admittedly, I am not anywhere as good as I should be, but then what the heh?

    I guess I just get a certain kind of thrill from a front-row seat to see what those daring and good enough are up to in their "labs". That's why I dove into the beta on Win_95, Firefox, and others.

    I just dig it. And to date, the rewards have in the end out-weighed the hassles. And why I love finding things like TechConnect Magazine's WFP Switcher 1.0. I guess I'm not totally alone. But I TRY to be a little careful and find out what the current scuttlebutt is before I totally submerge myself. (Al/Jefferson/Joe et al, I even made a backup before I ventured this time! Fancy that!

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    Re: WFP control (XP SP-2)

    Chuck,
    I think there is a big difference between experimenting with new ideas or methods and "tinkering and diddling".
    You will pardon me for saying this but I DO think you cross the line at times and I think, "why in H**L is he trying to do this?"

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    Re: WFP control (XP SP-2)

    Bob:

    Yes, I (now) image about every 2 days. And I agree there's a difference between tinkering and diddling, although I'm not sure that it's always that clear to the t/d 'er when they are caught up in the middle of it.

    **EVEN I** have stopped sometimes and said "Why the H*** am I doing this?". But just as often, I've come up for air and said "Hot D***, THAT'S really cool!" Which is why I suppose that I'm still an addict. MOST TIMES, if you ask me I can give you what I think to be a fairly cogent response... and if the feedback I get shows otherwise, as it has often done, I count my blessings and move on.

    My nose just needs netter training I suppose.

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    Re: WFP control (XP SP-2)

    You could always "install" your substitutes by including little scripts to do the sort of thing that (for example) Notepad++ suggests:

    Backup your original Notepad.exe (we never know...).
    Copy notepad.exe which comes with this package into 4 directories (in given order) :
    c:windowsservicepackfilesi386
    c:windowssystem32dllcache
    c:windowssystem32
    c:windows
    When you replace notepad.exe in c:windowssystem32 and c:windows, a "Windows File Protection" message box appears, click Cancel. Then another message box appears, click OK.
    Modify you registry (if you use installer to install your Notepad++, you don't need to do this step): Create key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWARENotepad++, then add your Notepad++ full path as the default value of this key. In my case, it's C:Program FilesNotepad++.
    Now Notepad++ is your default Notepad.


    This "overrides" WFP on just 2 occassions, which can be done via script anyway. Far better to do it explicitly this way, than to turn off WFP altogether, and no hassle at all if the script does it for you!

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    Re: WFP control (XP SP-2)

    Alan:

    You're right... I ought to just do it with scripts -- batch files to me since I'm not script conversant -- and then (maybe) stop all my kvetching ...

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