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    Partitioning (Vista Ultimate)

    A few days ago, I received a new Dell Dimension 9200 with a 500 GB drive with Vista Ultimate pre-installed. After performing the obligatory cleanup of Dell-installed "free" applications, I proceeded to install my applications. Everything is working perfectly and now it's time to transfer my data files from the old desktop. I didn't partition the drive (80 GB) on the old machine, but I want to make two partitions the new drive - one partition for the OS, applications, paging file & restore points and a second partition for data.

    Vista's built-in disk management console allows me to do this. Within Disk Management, I selected the C: (OS) partition and then selected "shrink volume". After doing its scan, I can shrink the volume by only 176 GB, leaving me with a massive 290 GB C; drive. OK - obviously the paging file and the restore points are using a lot of space. I then disabled System Restore (which wipes out all restore points) and I disabled the paging file. I then tried shrinking again, and this time Disk Management indicated that I could shrink the volume by 233 GB, again leaving me with a huge (233 GB) C: drive. <img src=/S/scratch.gif border=0 alt=scratch width=25 height=29> At present, I'm only using 20 GB of this drive but Disk Management won't let me resize this to any less than the 233 GB.

    Time then for a third party application - the latest version of Acronis Disk Director Suite 10.0. With Disk Director, I highlighted the C: drive, selected "resize" and then specified 100 GB as the size (leaving 356 GB unallocated space). 100 GB should be LOTS of room for the OS, applications, paging file and restore points. Disk Director then shut down the OS, did its processing at startup, and then opened Vista. NOTHING had changed!

    I searched on the Wilders Acronis forums and while this is a well known problem, I haven't been able to find any solutions. One of the "solutions" is to perform this operation from the Acronis boot disk (safe mode), but this doesn't work either (at least for me). I also have a Vista notebook with a 100 GB drive, and out of curiosity I tried the same thing with this machine. Same results. Acronis did nothing, and again, Windows Disk Management would only let me resize the partition to 50% of the drive.

    While MS specs for Vista indicate a minimum required drive size of anywhere from 20 to 40 GB, I can only shrink the notebook partition to 50 GB and the desktop partition to 233 GB. Has anyone found a successful solution to this problem (either with Disk Management or Acronis)?
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    Re: Partitioning (Vista Ultimate)

    John,

    It's been quite awhile since I've used Acronis Disk Director, I do remember making the mistake of not clicking on the "Perform"??? or was it "Apply"??? link/button after choosing what I wanted it to do. I thought it went through the process of performing the selected operations, but like you it did nothing. Now, this may not be applicable to your situation, but it may be worth considering.

    Another suggestion would be to try: Paragon Partition Manager 8.5 which boasts being Vista-compatible. It does have a "Trial" download which you can try.

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    Re: Partitioning (Vista Ultimate)

    Hi Jeff,
    Yes, I made that mistake the first time I tried (didn't click the "Commit" button) but it then didn't let me continue until I did "commit". Tried this a few more times but no change.

    My biggest concern is why Vista's built-in Disk Management will not allow the OS partition to be resized smaller than 50% - no matter what the size of the original partition? As I said, I have tried this on two different disks (100 GB and 500GB) and in both cases, it will not resize to anything smaller than half the partition size. If Vista itself is imposing this limitation (...........but WHY?), then I'm not surprised that Acronis can't do it either.
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    Re: Partitioning (Vista Ultimate)

    Unfortunately, I don't have a solution for you. But for a bit of an explanantion see Repartition your hard disk on-the-fly with Windows Vista.

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    Re: Partitioning (Vista Ultimate)

    You may have a unmovable file, the following is from the help on shrinking a partition.

    When you shrink a partition, unmovable files (for example, the page file or the shadow copy storage area) are not automatically relocated and you can not decrease the allocated space beyond the point where the unmovable files are located. If you need to shrink the partition further, see move the page file to another disk, delete the stored shadow copies, shrink the volume, and then move the page file back to the disk.

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    Re: Partitioning (Vista Ultimate)

    Yes, I read that article too Joe, and as the author states, "However, after disabling the page file, disabling hibernation, disabling the System Restore, using Disk Cleanup to delete System Restore and Shadow Copy files, and defragging the hard disk, I was still unable to get more available space for the second partition". That's exactly what I'm running into. I was able to free up a bit more space by following this procedure, but still couldn't resize to less than 233 GB (n the 500 GB drive). Very frustrating.
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    Re: Partitioning (Vista Ultimate)

    That's what I was thinking too Dave (unmoveable file), but see <!post=my reply,646,486>my reply<!/post> to Joe.
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    Re: Partitioning (Vista Ultimate)

    You know I'm getting to the point that with the low cost of a disk drive if I have a problem that can't be figured out really quickly I think it is better just to buy another drive. My time (and frustration level) is more important to me now that figuring out some obscure issue with hardware.

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    Re: Partitioning (Vista Ultimate)

    You're right of course, but this one has my curiosity aroused and I'd like to find an answer if I can.
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    Re: Partitioning (Vista Ultimate)

    the limit of the shrinking is also due to the placement of unmovable system files. If you have more contiguous free space after the <font color=red>last unmovable file</font color=red>, you can create a larger partition.

    You need to check and see if there is any thing at the position that you want to include in the new partition that is NOT movable. Many programs write to the disk hidden and protected files, lord know what is in the area that you want to split from the other area.

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    Re: Partitioning (Vista Ultimate)

    Well that makes sense. I'll do a little digging and see what I can come up with.
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    Re: Partitioning (Vista Ultimate)

    Gotcha - I think.

    If you are using the latest Acronis Disk Director Suite you don't WANT 'resize'. Keep going to the right on the toolbar, and you may have to follow an arrow to do this, and check 'increase free space', which can work either way. In other words, you get to choose the partition on which you want to increase the free space. Resize is a nightmare into which I have been lured more than once.

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    Re: Partitioning (Vista Ultimate)

    I'd give that a try BUT there is no free space to increase. There is a small hidden partition at the beginning of the disk, a 10 GB Recovery Partition, and the rest of the disk is occupied with C:.
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    Re: Partitioning (Vista Ultimate)

    To use the "Increase Free Space", make the second partition, regardless of size and then run the Increase free space. This should take the free space and split it equally to both partitions. It should ignore the "Hidden" system rebuild partition.

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