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    From Sunny to Cloudy

    I have a group photo that was taken on a cloudy day and I have one individual to add to the photo. Unfortunately, his photo was taken on a sunny day. I was able to add him to the picture, using Microsoft Picture It, (an old program but it works) and it looks pretty good except that he is just brighter than everyone else. I have experimented a little with different brightness and contrast settings but I don't know what I am doing, it really is a matter of try this and then try that and see what I get. He just keeps looking "sunny".

    I don't have any sophisticated graphics software, besides Picture Manager, I have Adobe Photo Album and Arc Soft 5.5. Does anyone have any suggestions to make this guy look "cloudy". Thanks.

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    Re: From Sunny to Cloudy

    Hi Don

    <img src=/S/hmmn.gif border=0 alt=hmmn width=15 height=15> Difficult one without looking at the images...if you like you can either post them on the Lounge and I can advise the way forward as it will need filters etc or if you look in my profile you will find my public email address and you can sent the images to me via email and I can have a "play" with it.
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    Re: From Sunny to Cloudy

    Hi Jerry,

    Thanks for the offer, I have attached copies of both pix, compressed way down, so the quality won't be that good, but I think you will be able to see the difference that I am looking at. I appreciate your help with this.
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    Re: From Sunny to Cloudy

    Here's the 2nd pic.
    This one is Sunny, the other one was Cloudy.
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    Re: From Sunny to Cloudy

    I don't think the trouble is so much bright sunny, as much as it's shading. There's no visible shade in the first group photo. The light was more generalized. The second photo of hte one person is clearly taken with the side on one side and shows pronounced shading on the other side of his face. I don't think there's anything you can do except hope to take the photo of him again only with the light square on to his face or when it's overcast.
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    Re: From Sunny to Cloudy

    Wow

    This is a difficult one which requires a lot of work....I am afraid there will more than likely be a degradation in the image if we muck about with it too much as I have had to cut out the lady in thewhite dress on the right and the young lad in the brown shirt and paste them in different layers.

    The lad in the brown shirt then had to had to have his contrast reduced and a warming red filter increased to get the warth and hue to vaguely match the other membersof the group. It will be almost impossible to get rid of the shadow on his face I feel without ruining it too much. IU have put this basic image together to get you an idea but it is very difficult to judge as I do not know his height but have got the perspective and guessed by the height of the wall stones.

    It will be easier with a higher definition set of images as the "errors" can be hidden better...anyway here is my starter for 10
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    Re: From Sunny to Cloudy

    Jerry,

    I'm sure the ladies in the back row are standing on something, as it is unlikely that they are all taller than the rest of the group (given their respective body types). That said, I think if you move the fellow in the brown shirt a bit to the left and down, into that void between the ladies, it will look more natural and the dark haired girl, with the blue/grey dress, in the back row appears to have a slight shadow on the same side of her face, which would make the shadow on his face less noticable.

    Just my <img src=/S/2cents.gif border=0 alt=2cents width=15 height=15>. <img src=/S/shrug.gif border=0 alt=shrug width=39 height=15>
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    Re: From Sunny to Cloudy

    Yes, I see your point.

    As you can guess from your image work that this job is almost impossible without "knowing" the people involved as the lad in the brown shirt does look very thin in my facsimile, but i did get the scaling from the wall bricks behind and then try and match it up against the plant behind. He also looks a bit clear so I tried to blur him to match in with the other members of the group.

    We could probably spend hours fiddling it and honestly I think that as we we do it the image will degrade and it will become obvious that the lad has been added in afterwards. I would go for honesty and do something like below, but that is my opinion too.
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    Re: From Sunny to Cloudy

    I agree. Much work for little gain. <img src=/S/shrug.gif border=0 alt=shrug width=39 height=15>
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    Re: From Sunny to Cloudy

    I find your odd man out to be the more flattering portrait. In future try to avoid direct sunlight and and use indirect light (or, as with the Odd Man Out, something that will provide a shadow, but not as severe as that from direct sunlight). The better you get at lighting and composition, the less retouching you will have to do, although that's not applicable here.

    I thought Picture It! to be a dandy program, and I loved the ease with which I could display titles on shots, which was a novelty to me. Try that if you haven't already, either to create magazine cover-style photos, or with white text somewhere in a dark shot for dramatic effect. This is one place where you have an excuse to try out those seldom-used display fonts.

    Oops, I just realized that I was confusing Picture Manager with Picture It!, which came with Works if you have any version of that. There are lots of modest photo editors available, and I think you can get a trial version of just about anything. You might check Corel, as they have Paint Shop as well as PhotoPaint (in CorelDraw Suite), and I think they have trial versions.

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    Re: From Sunny to Cloudy

    Sorry; I added a post to the thread that wasn't a reply to you, and you may not know about it. You also threw me for a loop by talking first about Picture It! and then about Picture Manager.

    If you're looking for software, first, check your camera, as digital cameras almost always come with software that may be adequate, and second, check your printer, as printers, especially photo printers, almost always come with software as well.

    If there is such software, check the manufacturers web sites, as software is often updated, and especially so with the arrival of something like Vista, and whether you have Vista or not chances are that the new software will be better than the old. Very few programs are written exclusively for Vista.

    Finally, consider having a photo shop PhotoShop it for you. You have a good-looking gang, an irreplaceable pair of images, the shops do it all the time, and it may cost less than you would expect simply because the shops have the best equipment, a high volume, and experienced workers. It costs nothing to ask.

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    Re: From Sunny to Cloudy

    Thanks to everybody for your help. I ended up where I just kept fiddling and fiddling with different shades. I had already done what Doc had suggested and moved him more into the photo, which makes it a little harder to pick out. Also, and I thought this was interesting, the original photo is actually a little bit larger (I tried to cut it down to bare minimum for posting purposes) and there was another building visible on the upper right portion of the photo. I made an irregular cutout of the plant on the right and added that over the building. So, I had two of the same photos with Sunny in place, the only difference being that the plant was larger in the 2nd one. When I showed both pictures to my test audience, my family, they all agreed that Sunny looked more natural in the 2nd picture, even though it was actually the same. They didn't even notice that the plant was different until I pointed it out.

    It was very difficult to get everyone together for the picture, so cloudy or not that's when it was being taken. Looking back, I probably should have taken the shots indoors and then added it to the background later. Well, this is how we learn. Thanks again for all of the help.

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    Re: From Sunny to Cloudy

    Glad you got it worked out. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

    Could you post your final result (sized for the Lounge, of course). I, and I'm sure Jezza, would be interested in seeing it. <img src=/S/yep.gif border=0 alt=yep width=15 height=15>
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    Re: From Sunny to Cloudy

    Thanks to everyone for your help. Attached is a compressed version, it has also been cropped to take out everything but the subjects. I was never able to get it completely the way I wanted it and finally decided that hey, I'm not fooling anyone anyway. It still looks pretty good.

    The funny thing is, and I have noticed this before, with others that I have done, people that are 40 (I'm 51, just in case you think I'm picking on that age group) and older have a real hard time picking out the person that was added in, and often select someone that was in the original picture as the candidate, while those that are 25 and younger seem to zoom right in on it. Without even being told that someone was added in, they look at it, point to the correct person and say, "He was Photoshopped in." Has anyone else noticed this?
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    Re: From Sunny to Cloudy

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    <hr>people that are 40 (I'm 51, just in case you think I'm picking on that age group) and older have a real hard time picking out the person that was added in, and often select someone that was in the original picture as the candidate, while those that are 25 and younger seem to zoom right in on it. Without even being told that someone was added in, they look at it, point to the correct person and say, "He was Photoshopped in." Has anyone else noticed this?<hr>
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    Yep !!! <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15> I'm 58 and have needed reading glasses for the past 5 years. Prior to that, I could also pick out the one who was "Photoshopped In" at a glance. Now I can't tell sometimes, even with my glasses on and a magnifying glass. <img src=/S/disappointed.gif border=0 alt=disappointed width=15 height=15>

    Thanks for posting back with your "finished product". <img src=/S/thankyou.gif border=0 alt=thankyou width=40 height=15> It looks pretty good to these old eyes. <img src=/S/yep.gif border=0 alt=yep width=15 height=15>
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