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Home>Dell and HP balk at replacing bad Nvidia chip

Windows Secrets Newsletter • Issue 193 • 2009-04-09 • Circulation: over 400,000


Table of contents 
  • Top Story: Dell and HP balk at replacing bad Nvidia chip
  • Known Issues: WGA blocks some updates on legit Windows PCs
  • Wacky Web Week: Don’t be sheepish, they’re a shear delight!
  • LangaList Plus: Recover lost passwords in Word and other apps
  • Perimeter Scan: Multiple tools required to disinfect a PC
  • Patch Watch: Update services are a vital security component

 
Top Story

Dell and HP balk at replacing bad Nvidia chip

Michael lasky By Michael Lasky

An old urban myth claims that the microprocessors used in PCs and other consumer electronics are designed to fail within days or weeks of their warranty expiration.

For tens of thousands of people who bought Dell and HP notebooks whose motherboards fried — often a few weeks after their warranty expired — there’s nothing mythical about it.

The cause of the machines’ fried motherboards is an overheating Nvidia graphics chip. The failure rate is so huge that Nvidia had to take a $196 million charge against earnings in the second quarter of its 2008 fiscal year in anticipation of the reimbursements that would result from the faulty GPU (more info).

What’s particularly scandalous, though, is how HP and Dell first handled the deluge of complaints from customers with notebooks that failed after their warranties expired. The companies either charged the customers (victims?) for repairs or refused service because the systems were past the warranty period.

Even worse, HP and Dell continued to sell notebooks with the same Nvidia chip long after the companies were aware of the problem. (Ultimately, Nvidia released a new version of the GPU that didn’t cause overheating.)

Unwary consumers who purchased the affected notebooks — no doubt based in part on the heady reputations of the vendors — were left in the lurch when their PCs failed, which usually occurred after 18 months or so. The purchasers had no recourse except to yell and scream at clueless tech-support reps.

When the heat from consumer complaints became as hot as the faulty Nvidia chip, HP and Dell relented and published a list of defective model numbers on their Web sites. Dell extended the standard one-year warranty to two years for the systems they identified as having the problem. HP offered a 24-month warranty extension for the specific issue.

However, instead of issuing a recall — as you would expect in such a clear case of a defective part — the vendors instead merely offered a BIOS upgrade. The “patch” for the affected notebooks made their fans run continuously in an attempt to lower the GPU-induced heat, which was cooking the motherboards onto which the chips were soldered.

This “fix” merely extended the time before the motherboards finally burned out while simultaneously devouring the machines’ battery life — sort of like putting a Band-Aid on a coronary. Of course, notebook purchasers became further inflamed by the power drain on their systems due to the constantly running fan.

(Unlike Dell and HP, Apple quickly acknowledged the presence of the defective Nvidia chip in some MacBook Pro notebooks and offered repairs or replacements to its customers.)

How to get vendors to respond to your gripes

There ought to be a PC lemon law, like the lemon laws enacted in many states that protect purchasers of defective automobiles. Those laws came about because legions of consumers complained after they got stuck with cars — new and used — that were clunkers. Until such protections are available, you can take the following steps to get redress for your grievances:

  • Post a description of your gripe on consumer-complaint blogs. People who bought the defective HP and Dell notebooks would have been out of luck if it hadn’t been for the rising power of Internet communities and blogs — ironically, some of which were on the vendor’s very own sites. These grass-roots efforts demonstrate that consumers are not powerless when they own a lemon PC, even in the absence of a lemon law to back them up.

    As the number of postings about the problem on gripe sites rose, HP and Dell could no longer hide from their customers. For example, the site HP Lies was created specifically for consumers to fight back against what the site calls “HP’s cover-up of the Nvidia defect.” A massive number of people who had bought now-dead HP notebooks that fried due to the overheated Nvidia chip not only spewed their venom at the company but also offered legal and logistical advice to others who shared their misfortune.

    Surprisingly, many burned customers discovered the HP Lies site through links on HP’s own Business Support Forum. Likewise, news of Dell’s offer of a limited warranty enhancement with a list of affected units was reported at Dell’s Direct2Dell user-community blog as a response to the thermonuclear anger expressed by unhappy customers at the site.

  • Take it to court. Many customers went the legal route and filed lawsuits that were consolidated into a class-action complaint against Nvidia, Dell, and HP last September. While less effective in getting a full reimbursement or replacement, lawsuits serve as a wake-up call to corporations and produce corresponding action to mollify the plaintiffs.

  • Skip low-level tech support and go directly to the top. If you have a PC problem that’s been proven to result from a defect, ask to speak to a high-level tech-support representative, who will be more empowered to address your complaint — and likely more knowledgeable about the issue as well.

    Be persistent, but keep your cool (which may be more than your PC is doing). Advice at the HP Lies site suggests going the corporate route and obtaining a case manager to get free repairs or a replacement, which standard tech support might not provide.

  • Buy an extended-service warranty. HP and Dell customers who had extended warranties got no-charge repairs and/or replacements for their Nvidia-murdered systems. Because cheaper components are used in most of today’s low-cost computers, chances are those components will fail sooner than in the past. Extended warranties generally offer no- or low-hassle tech support and repairs for up to three years beyond the standard warranty.
PCs may be unreliable and vendors unresponsive to customer complaints, so it pays to know your options.

WS contributing editor Michael Lasky is a former PC World senior editor who currently writes for Laptop Magazine, Wired.com, and other technology news sources.

 
Known Issues

WGA blocks some updates on legit Windows PCs

Dennis o'reilly By Dennis O’Reilly

Readers refute Microsoft’s assertion that Windows Genuine Advantage isn’t required to receive all patches for the operating system.

Even worse, WGA blocks some security patches from being installed on PCs running legal copies of Windows that the Microsoft validator falsely identifies as pirated.

In last week’s Known Issues column, Microsoft spokeswoman Jill Lovato claimed there were errors in editorial director Brian Livingston’s March 30 news update about the Conficker worm.

We’ve heard from several readers who provide first-hand evidence that Brian’s assertions about Microsoft’s dangerously flawed policies for updating Windows are indeed correct. John McCulloch’s tale of WGA woe is, sadly, all too typical:
  • “I would completely disagree with Ms. Lovato’s response statement to Brian’s Conficker article, where he says:

    Microsoft doesn’t provide all its patches to unlicensed copies of Windows, leaving the vulnerable machines free to attack us — a self-defeating policy recently described by security expert Bruce Schneier.

    “She says:

    This is actually not accurate — Microsoft issues security fixes via Windows Update to all Windows systems, regardless of whether or not that system is genuine.

    “Microsoft does require, on many occasions, a ‘verification’ of your license before allowing the download of a patch. This happened to me just a short while ago when I went to acquire the AutoRun patch.

    “As I refuse to use Missie [WGA], the online ‘verification’ failed. I had to download and run GenuineCheck.exe and then copy and paste the code into the window to obtain this patch. This on an HP 2300 series machine with XP Pro and SP3 that’s less than a year old!

    “In addition, they have twice, to my personal knowledge, blocked the automatic Windows Update operation to other machines where a bulk license was legitimately used — because the retailer went out of business and MS subsequently ‘canceled’ the bulk license.

    “Neither of these cases could happen unless they were ‘verifying’ that the license was legitimate! I can’t remember the message that was sent in a pop-up, but the implication was that the Windows Update system had a ‘pirated copy’ of the OS! …

    “The effect was that the Windows Update machine would not function until the ‘update’ was completed. This user had been automatically updating for some two years without a problem, which points to the final verbal admission by MS that they had in fact ‘canceled’ the user’s license!

    “In one case, this so locked the machine that the family’s banking records and online transactions were effectively frozen. It took nearly a week to get MS to reply and finally acknowledge that the user did have a legitimate copy, and to supply a very painful workaround.

    “I would also comment that MS’s bloat so affects rural users who are still on dial-up that Windows Update cannot be allowed. One does not have hours to download 50MB to 70MB of bloat at 5 or 6 megabytes per hour, even presuming that one can stay connected for that length of time!”
Reader Bob Adams’ response to Brian’s Conficker story was more concise but just as heartfelt:

  • “Is there a better newsletter for prepping us for the upcoming Conficker events? I don’t think so! Thanks for this authoritative look at the subject. I’ve taken your advice, downloaded as much as I can, and feel ready. Wow. You guys are good!

    “Anyone who isn’t a paid subscriber should feel bad and pay up now. It’s worth every penny. Free subscribers should become paid subscribers just to say thank you, based on this issue alone.”
Bob, we couldn’t have said it better ourselves. Thanks back at ya!

More reasons to postpone that upgrade to IE 8

We also received bushels of e-mails from readers who agree with Mark Joseph Edwards’ recommendation in his April 2 Top Story that you wait before switching from Internet Explorer 7 to the new version 8. Several people who had already taken the IE 8 plunge explained why they reverted to the earlier release. For Gene Goldenfeld, the problem was a conflict with one of his security apps:
  • “Soon after installing the public release of IE 8, I noticed that it was very slow to start. I’ve since discovered that it’s not just my XP SP3 machine alone. It seems there’s a conflict between IE 8 and some resident (real-time) antispyware applications that centers around these applications’ restricted-zones lists and IE 8′s SmartScreen security function.

    “Spybot Search and Destroy and SpywareBlaster are the ones commonly mentioned, but I use SuperAntiSpyware Pro and my zones list is short. That leaves [as the cause] an add-on conflict, which I didn’t check. There are some workarounds proposed until MS fixes the problem, but the easiest one — and the one I chose for now — is to go back to IE 7. That brought IE back up to speed.”
Dave Laljee found the source of his IE 8 conflict, but he rolled back to the previous release anyway:

  • “Saw Mark Joseph Edwards’ article in the latest newsletter and thought you’d like to hear another reason for not rushing into IE 8 (though, after uninstalling it, I discovered a workaround). I installed IE 8 the other week, and at first things seemed OK — until attempting to add a C++ function within Visual Studio 2008 Pro using a wizard. This resulted in a script error.

    “I quickly uninstalled back to IE 7 and rebooted. The add function, etc., worked fine in VS 2008 again. A week later, I was checking the Visual C++ Team Blog and found this blog post [with the workaround].

    That solves the problem, but you would’ve thought they’d have caught this one before release!”
It seems about the only thing Microsoft is catching lately is some well-deserved flak.

Readers John, Bob, Gene, and Dave will each receive a gift certificate for a book, CD, or DVD of their choice for sending tips we printed. Send us your tips via the Windows Secrets contact page.

The Known Issues column brings you readers’ comments on our recent articles. Dennis O’Reilly is technical editor of WindowsSecrets.com.

 
Wacky Web Week

Don’t be sheepish, they’re a shear delight!

sheep By Katy Abby

Hollywood has spoiled us; it’s rare in this day and age to see a truly unusual, impressive feat accomplished and recorded without the use of special effects. When such a daring deed is pulled off by unassuming amateurs, it’s even more remarkable.

Take a look as these self-proclaimed “extreme shepherds” take to the hills with their fleecy flock. The results are illuminating! (Thanks to reader Jeff Smith for tipping us off to this pastoral parade.) Play the video


 
LangaList Plus

Recover lost passwords in Word and other apps

Fred langa By Fred Langa

A PC crash can render your password-protected Office files inaccessible.

Losing any password can be as frustrating as locking your keys inside your car, but for Word and other Office programs, a lost password can be much, much worse.


Encryption complicates password recovery

Peter Croucher’s in a jam: his Microsoft Word documents are password-protected, and he doesn’t have the password.
  • “My computer crashed, and when I restored it, my password wouldn’t open Word documents. I put in every password I have ever used, but to no avail. I haven’t the foggiest idea what [the correct password] is. Is there any way of recovering this password and replacing it, please?”
Maybe, Peter. Let’s work it through:

There are many versions of Word in use, and their password-protection schemes vary. (In fact, this holds for all the MS Office tools, not just Word. But the question was about Word, so I’ll limit my answer to that program, though the solution applies to others as well.)

Some passwords are meant simply to prevent any further editing of a completed document that is available for anyone to read. Others go way beyond that to make a document completely inaccessible to all but the password holders.

As you might guess, the early versions of Word used a fairly simple password-protection scheme that’s now referred to as the Office 97/Office 2000 Compatible Encryption Method. Things got more complex starting with Word 2002/XP and all versions thereafter. For example, the default encryption in Word 2007 doesn’t simply password-protect a document; it uses 128-bit AES encryption to scramble it with a passkey/passphrase that’s up to 255 characters long (more info).

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Perimeter Scan

Multiple tools required to disinfect a PC

Ryan russell By Ryan Russell

Even the sturdiest, most-comprehensive PC defenses won’t stop all malware from finding its way onto your systems.

First, identify the specific pest, and then find the best tool — or tools — to get it off your system for good.


Manual malware removal puts you in charge

In my March 26 Top Story, I described a number of anti-malware tools suggested by readers. Unfortunately, no matter which security programs you run on your PC, there’s a good chance some bad stuff will eventually get through. Even when you take the most stringent of precautions, there’s always human error, leaving someone with the task of cleaning out Windows. Based on the deluge of feedback I’ve received from readers (thank you!), that person is often you.

On that day when you’re faced with an infection that got past your PC’s defenses, you’ll probably need to take the bull by the horns yourself. The invader has likely blocked your anti-malware apps’ protections and prevented access to security sites.

It’s time to turn to your primary security tool: your own gray matter. Whatever nastiness the program perpetrates, it can’t outthink you. The player who moves second in the malware game can always win, and that player is you. Note that cleaning out a virus infection may take more time and effort than simply reinstalling Windows, but you’ve got a shot if you want to take it.

Before you begin, do your malware homework

There are many indicators of a malware infection. You may suddenly be bombarded with pop-ups on a site you know doesn’t use them, such as Google or our own WindowsSecrets.com. Or maybe your hard-disk activity or network traffic spikes for no apparent reason. You may discover mystery processes running in Task Manager. (Press Ctrl-Shift-Esc and click the Processes tab to view them.)

The first step in the malware-cleanup process is finding out what the enemy is up to. This intelligence-gathering will help you plan your attack. Enter into a search engine any suspicious IP addresses, process names, file names, directories, or other potential trouble indicators. The links returned should lead to resources that can help you determine what’s going on. You can often find specific removal advice in this manner.

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Patch Watch

Update services are a vital security component

Susan bradley By Susan Bradley

Windows may be the primary target of today’s malware authors, but it’s far from the only one.

Keeping your applications and media players up-to-date is as important as applying the latest patches for your operating system.


Free services identify out-of-date programs

April Fools’ Day came and went without the Internet meltdown many so-called security analysts had predicted. The Conficker worm was a bust — or was it? Time will tell, but one positive result of the Conficker hoopla has been a heightened awareness of the importance of keeping our PCs patched.

It seems whenever the mainstream press gets hold of a tech story like Conficker, I cringe. Exhibit A was the segment about the worm on the CBS news magazine 60 Minutes, which provided no answers and left many viewers scratching their heads. (Contrast that report with editorial director Brian Livingston’s clear and complete March 30 news update, which offered step-by-step instructions for determining whether your systems are infected and, if so, how to disinfect them.)

The 60 Minutes broadcast showcased a woman whose bank-account funds had been stolen following some fishy online activities by her teenaged children. The segment offered no information on preventing such attacks. Installing antivirus and firewall software is a good start, but just as important is regular use of a free software-update service such as Secunia’s Personal Software Inspector program (download page) and Shavlik’s Patch Google Gadget add-on for the Google Desktop program (download page).

Both products scan your system to determine whether Windows, your media players, and other applications are updated to the latest versions. On one of my test PCs, the Patch Google Gadget notified me that Adobe Flash 10 and Apple QuickTime 7.5.5 were dangerously out-of-date. (See Figure 1.)

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